Kansas Legislators

Dear Kansas Legislators,

I don't know how to say this so that you will understand, but I'll try:  STAY OUT OF MY FUCKING BEDROOM AND MY UTERUS, YOU COCKSUCKERS.

Sincerely,

Jen

KS Senator Mary Pilcher-Cook.  A disgrace to women.

Was that clear?  I am so pissed off tonight after reading that the newest, boldest, most dangerous anti-abortion bill passed in the Kansas Legislature and is now wending its to big baby Brownback who will most likely sign it into law.  Kansas Senator Mary Pilcher-Cook (literally the first person I've ever wanted to call the c-word on my blog) was quoted as saying, "This is about respecting the rights to conscience and others' beliefs.  Let's protect peoples' beliefs."  I don't know, I don't feel like my beliefs are protected at all.  No one's worrying about me and my daughter.

This bill will allow doctors to lie to their patients and tell them that abortions cause cancer, it will charge rape victims a sales tax on their abortions, it could allow medical providers to limit birth control if they deem it necessary and it will put the health of a fetus over the health of a living, breathing (kicking and screaming) woman.

I am so sick to my stomach right now I could scream.  I am so furious, I am crying angry tears as I type this.  My daughter is sleeping peacefully in her bed upstairs and has no idea of the fucking nightmare that is happening.  Right now she is losing rights to her own body and there is nothing I can do to stop that.

We talk in school and on the internet a lot about bullies, well let me tell you, these Republican lawmakers are fucking bullies.  They are bullying women back into the kitchen and back into the baby factories.  Fuck you, Mr. Big Shot and a big, special fuck you very much to the women Republican lawmakers.  What the hell is wrong with you?  Don't you understand what you're doing??  Don't you see what is happening here?  We are being put back in "our place."  You have a chance to do good for your fellow woman and instead you are limiting her ability to choose what is right for her!

I get that you don't want to have an abortion.  Fine.  No one asked you to.  No one said you had to.  But don't you dare take legal, safe abortions away from women.  Think about the women who will continue to find a place to go, whether it's a dark alley or a dirty clinic.  Think about these women who will die, because of a botched job.

This is a fight that women on all sides should be fighting.  Why can't we fight together for our reproductive rights?  Why can't we fight together to demand we have access to the safest and best medical care this country can provide (I'm not saying free medical care, I'm just saying doctors who don't lie to us and perform invasive procedures without cause)?

Do you want your daughters locked in towers and chastity belts?  Can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and lawmakers were demanding that families could only have 1 or 2 children instead of as many as are right for you and your husband?  Can you imagine if your daughters were told that at 12 or 13 they must submit to being put on birth control?  We should be working together to ensure that we and our daughters have the right to treat our bodies the way we want to treat them.  This is such a private matter and it should not be decided by a roomful of old, white men.

I'm especially outraged that this bill allows doctors to lie to their patients.  What is happening to our country?  If we can't trust our doctors to tell us the truth and to treat us with dignity and respect and HONESTY, where will we go for treatment?  I will now have to ask my OB if he's a conservative or a liberal (and hope he tells me the truth) in addition to Do you take Aetna?

I am truly frightened for the future of this country.  We are going backwards instead of forwards.  Politicians are so busy worrying about gays and lesbians ruining the precious sanctity of marriage and unborn fetuses, and women's reproductive health that they're forgetting that we're in a recession and that we have millions of people looking for work and that we're fighting a fucking war.  Get out of our bedrooms and get back to work, you fucking tools.

I will do what I can, but I am only one person.  I swear to God that I will NEVER vote Republican in any election again as long as this party continues to preach and advocate against women's health.  The change has to come from inside the party.  I vow that I will vote in every election from here on out, including the fucking Board of Education and I will vote for anything BUT a Republican.  I don't care if it's a fucking dog on the ballot and a Republican, I will vote for the dog until the Republican party changes.  

And to those of you who are reading this and thinking, I don't live in Kansas, this has nothing to do with me.  You're wrong.  They're coming for you too.  It's just a matter of time.  It's a wave.  They just need to get it started.

One more thing, if you don't agree with my politics and you think this bill is a good idea and you want to say so, make sure you say it respectfully.

BE RESPECTFUL TO ONE ANOTHER IN THE COMMENTS SECTION.  YOUR FIGHT IS NOT WITH EACH OTHER.  It may seem hypocritical for me to rant and rave and then say you can't rant and rave.  I'm saying this, because I wrote this piece and I'm prepared to take criticism, but the people who comment here are not in a position to be attacked, they're just commenting and they didn't ask for a fight.  If you want to fight, go start your own blog.

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Jessica said...

This is awesome. Very well written.

SuziG said...

I think this war on women, hell all the wars with the politicians are bullshit. But I don't think it's just one party. I think all the politicians have their heads up their asses. Go you! I'm right there with you. My 23 month old is in the other room, snuggled up with my husband, and all I can think is that I can't protect her from this. It's bullshit. Absolute bullshit.

Nicole said...

Could not agree more. I'm from WI where our governor is being recalled. A few weeks ago he repealed the law that allows for equal pay for women. I'll be voting tomorrow and in a month to get his stupid entitled white ass outta there.

Cyn said...

Amen Sister! Amen.

Unknown said...

it is happening right here in NC. I don't know what happening with the regression we are seeing, it is scary

Jeanne Mattson said...

I agree, very well written and I agree with you totally.

Jen Piwtpitt said...

Agreed! I'm ready to wipe the slate of all of them and start over.

suebee0619 said...

Jen - I'm in tears too. I don't understand why the party that is all for limiting government think it's ok for the government to decide what I do with my own body and more people aren't calling them on such blatant hypocrisy, let alone on their blatant disrespect of women. I can't even form more of an argument right now because I am completely sickened and gobsmacked that this is happening in a country that is supposed to be free. Thank you for bringing it to my attention - I'll be looking for some lovely Democrats in Kansas to make a donation to.

Megan said...

I was just ranting about this to my fiance 2 nights ago! The worst part (to me) is that it protects doctors who will LIE to pregnant women if they find that the fetus has a birth defect that could possibly make the woman choose to terminate the pregnancy. I'm sorry, but if I could possibly have a child that would suffer horribly for a very short life because of a birth defect, I have right to know and make a decision! There are things that are worse than never being born. These politicians can't [won't] see that. I'm still furious.

Anonymous said...

[email protected] mama.

Julia Burns said...

Yep. What JEN said!!

Anonymous said...

Amen sister! I was reading about something similar in Arizona taking place a few weeks back and was (and am) outraged. Medical professionals given the legal right to LIE to patients? To WITHHOLD information from the patient if they think it might lead to an abortion? Outrage.

frugalistablog said...

You've got me cheering right behind you!!! Preach it sister- preach it loud!

Anonymous said...

I preface this with the caveat that I am a socially minded fiscal conservative.....meaning give a hand up not a hand out, keep your hands outta my pockets and fix what's broke don't create a new wheel.....

My choice is just that mine. I agree with what you say. I know what my choice and belief is but it's not my right to make that decision for someone else.

I am cautious to say this not ALL Republicans feel this way......unfortunately those that yell the loudest seem win the argument........

Life with Claire said...

It sickens me as well. Our governor, Jan brewer, in Arizona signed a bill to stop funding to planned parenthood because they do abortions. Hello....they do so much more for women's healthcare. It made me sick in my stomach to read that. what a disgrace to women in office and women all over the USA.

Anonymous said...

Exactly! I myself was wondering about that very irony regarding the Republican party. Never been a big fan anyway, but hey, I thought they criticized other parties for too much government involvement. This is involvement at the most personal level!

Susan Thatcher said...

At what point do they put us in burqas?

barb said...

The most frustrating thing about living in Kansas -- I ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS vote democratic, but it rarely does any good. And the sad thing is, there was never any doubt what Brownie was out to do, and stupid people still voted him in. And what's worse? His next target is the White House. I'm as pissed off as you, so thank you for doing such a great job of saying what I'm thinking!

Megan said...

Oh and regarding this that you wrote:
"I will now have to ask my OB if he's a conservative or a liberal (and hope he tells me the truth) in addition to Do you take Aetna?"

Since we're planning to get pregnant with our second child next year after our wedding, we decided that we actually are going to interview OBs. We will straight up ask them where they stand on this because I refuse to be lied to by a doctor.

Anonymous said...

I am an independant that often leans to the right (just saying). I think that almost all politicians in present day are completely bonkers and I don't believe anything they say. It's all a contest.

Unknown said...

I think any bill that advocates medical professionals lying is a bad choice. My thoughts on abortion fall in a more gray area. I don't think it should be illegal but I do feel that it is all too often used as a form of birth control, rather than as a last resort in a serious situation.

This post, in addition to my other thoughts on politics, is a perfect example of why I registered independent. I don't trust either side.

Dawn said...

I'm with you sister! Since when did we sign over the rights to our bodies to a bunch of morons?? I don't blame you for being worried, I have a teenage daughter and thankfully she hasn't had "experience" yet, but the thought of her being lied to by doctors. makes me angry! Thanks for being HUMAN with your emotions! Anyone who isn't outraged are just one of the moronic sheep.

Anonymous said...

While I am personally anti-abortion/pro-life, I also believe that a woman should have a right to choose what to do with her own body. My husband and I always disagreed on this until a couple of years ago when he came to finally understand that this really isn't so much about killing babies, as protecting women's rights. Who is to say that somewhere down the line, something equally terrible won't also happen to men... for instance, they will not be able to choose to ... oh shoot, there is nothing as terrible that a man could lose the right to choose to do except maybe get Viagra when they are old.

Sue in Norfolk, VA

Kathi G. said...

Right on!!!! I live in Utah and am very surprised that our legislature hasn't passed something similar already (this state is so red they are beyond sunburned). I am sure it will happen here soon. I blame the Republicans (and those not repugnant-cans) for voting for these ass hats that write, sponsor and vote for these laws that remove the rights of women and minorities. I don't give a shit what your beliefs are, what religion you practice...quit trampling on our rights!

Liz said...

WOW....how scary to think that is actually happening. Doctors being able to lie? Taxes for rape victims, as if they are choosing for this nightmare of a decision?! And limiting birth control seems like it is just asking for this problem of unplanned pregnancies/unattainable abortions to grow.

To me it sounds like we have found ourselves a real, live time machine taking is back to the days of women fighting for equal rights, and back-alley abortions.

This quote right here is exactly what is wrong with these narrow-minded, religious, conservatives. "This is about respecting the rights to conscience and others' beliefs. Let's protect peoples' beliefs."

Wait, wait, wait...exactly WHOSE beliefs are being protected? Oh, people exactly like yourselves? So you really aren't worried about people at all if they aren't in your camp. Like you said Jen, no one is telling them they have to get an abortion but they are so intent on ruling everyone's lifestyles...and the same goes with marriage. Why the hell does a same sex marriage ruin the "sanctity" of marriage. How does my definition of marriage to a man change in any way at all because two people of the same sex were able to get married.

AllI know is that I am sick of people's religious beliefs making the laws around here. And I am sick of these people making it sounds like they are doing it for the good of the country, the good of the family, and the good of all people.

I might not be in Kansas...but I am fully with you in Massachusetts!!!

Bee's hive said...

Amen to that

AdventureMom said...

A-fuckin-men, Miss Jen! Don't stop yelling about this one, ladies. We all need to speak out and stay pissed. And Vote. And donate. And educate.

Tina said...

I completely agree with you. It drives me crazy that old white men are even allowed to make decisions about my uterus. I don't think I could ever have an abortion, but if god forbid I was raped I would sure as hell want the option. Also if the fetus is not viable outside of my body I would terminate. I know someone that gave birth to a baby that had terminal cancer ( that type is always fatal) and had they known they would have spared themselves that heartbreak. There are all kinds of reasons to consider an abortion and it is no one's business but the person and or couple in the situation. I take a medication that is highly toxic and causes severe birth defects, the first thing my doctor asked me before he put me on it was would you take the morning after pill and or consider an abortion if an accidental pregnancy happened because any pregnancy would not be viable. There are all kinds of reasons to have and or consider an abortion and all of them are private. Stay the hell out of my uterus government. Thanks. God gave me a brain and I can sure as hell use it to govern my body in what is best for me. These asshats have no idea of the circumstance that a lady may be in, for all they know she was raped by her father and now she is considering an abortion. And now the government wants to take and already horrible situation and make it worse? Get over yourselves. I don't think that anyone who has survived any kind of childhood sexual abuse would deny a woman's right to choose.

kellykelly said...

I really don't understand this war on women and how a woman lawmaker could make these decisions.

Every state in the US is going through this Republican agenda. It sickens and saddens me greatly.

And what I want to know is don't more people know about Roe Vs. Wade?
Really? There were tons of women who gave themselves coat hanger abortions and they died. I know someone's mother that went through this. She died to leave 4 kids with their father who was never home in the 1930's. Was awful.

While, I've not had any abortions, who am I to judge someone who's needed to?

I do know, I'm not interested in the 25 hundred songrams that lawmakers wanna shove up me.

I'm annoyed that people out there think this shit is legit. It's not.

Jill said...

Amen sister. I'm lucky to be in Illinois where we are pretty Democratic. I hope the wave doesn't come to us...

Sandals said...

VERY, VERY scary. Very.

Anonymous said...

In no way do I agree with your opinion but I love the fact that you are not afraid to express your opinion. I enjoy reading MOST of your blogs, but your rage tonight is out of control. If you want to be an advocate, damn angry spice tone it down sound like the half way intelligent person that HAD my respect. The reason you lost it wasnt due to our conflicting ideologies. The second to last sentence. How dare you ask people to be respectful to you when responding with descent when you just unloaded a mountain of crass crude garbage. I think you might need to look up the word hypocrite. And if you are preparing yourself to take on issue as tough as this, looking like a hypocrite is the last thing you want to do. PS I hope your daughters arm is healing well, and she will thank you when shes older for making her be in organized sports so continue to do what you are doing.

Dan in Dallas said...

Jen

This is Dan, I do disagree, but at the same time, I respect your opinion. This goes back to the age old argument...when does life begin. When the kid is born, when you hear the first heartbeat, or at conception. We could both find three people to make somewhat logical, scientific arguments for all three views. However, I find it ironic that many women will say "I am eating for two now", yet would have no qualms going the next day to have the 'second one' killed. Also, many women (rightfully so) are concerned about second hand smoke, alcohol, etc on their baby. Yet, some of those same women would not bat an eye the next day to go 'terminate' her pregnancy.

I have no idea the pain, discomfort and ultimate joy women feel when they carry and give birth...so maybe I am out of line...but it seems many women MIGHT not have a problem being contradictory when it comes to their baby and their body/uterus. Not making a blanket statement, but I think we'd be foolish to think there are only a few women that fit these examples

Anonymous said...

Hard to believe that this is 2012 - youd think that with all the gay marraige and abortion bickering going on - id question if have not stepped back in time about 50-60 years. Its so sad. ANd it is spreading! AZ Gov jan brewer just passed something removing all funding for planned parenthood "because she doesn't support abortions" HELLO Planned parenthood doesnt just do abortions idiot! THey help women prevent unwanted pregnancies!! and PLAN their PARENTHOOD.

I get so angry when men make stupid comments about a womans right to her body - who the hell are they but when a WOMAN or TWO WOMAN in a seat of POWER get this stupid its just...its so infuriating!

ALSO in their weird world where woman go back to the kitchen and only have sex to make a baby after marriage...THEY WOULD NOT BE ELECTED OR EVEN ALLOWED TO RUN FOR OFFICE! Think about that!

suebee0619 said...

Amen, lady. A-frigging-men.

Meg said...

I'm with you in New Jersey! And I vow not to vote Republican as long as they wage this ridiculous war against women. No one is going to tell me or my daughters that our lives are not important. That we am just incubators. I am disgusted by all of this and not so proud to say I am an American because of it. The Republican party is out of control!

Anonymous said...

you are a man, therefore your rights are not being taken away, and you do not truly understand. i'm sorry if that sounds rude to you, but it is true. you will never be raped and have to carry a baby. you will never be put in the position of choosing if you will die, or if your baby will, or if both of you might. you will never, ever, ever be in the terrible position of considering whether or not you should have an abortion. you will never get cramps so bad that you'll throw up every month and you need birth control to stop that. you will never be denied viagra. you don't have anything to lose when things like this happen, while we have everything.

C McCormick said...

Oh man. I'm a military wife living in Kansas (not my state of residency) and this bill really concerns me as well. I mean, I'm a happily married mother of two girls, but I so strongly believe in protecting women and our reproductive rights. I don't advocate abortion as a means of birth control, but understand it may be a viable or necessary choice in certain situations. And don't get me started on contraception, that should absolutely be an option for women (or couples, really). I echo the words of others, get out and VOTE, make your voice heard. Talk to your Representatives and Senators either by email, in writing, phone calls, or petitions. Make your voice heard, not as a crazy person but as the intelligent voter you are.

Jen said...

Amen sister.
It's completely and totally...I was going to say outrageous but that doesn't even begin to cover it.

Lissy said...

I have tried to come up with a proper comment here without sounding like a raving lunatic, but screw it. WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK?! I tend to stay away from politics and religion and all that hoo ha, but when some idiotic man in office is using his religious beliefs to tell me what to do with MY body? It's on. "Withholding critical health information from pregnant women" so they can't MAKE THEIR OWN DECISION to terminate a dangerous pregnancy? My blood is boiling. And what kind of woman can possibly back this idea? I'm not amused. Politicians need to stop worrying about how THEY think our lives should be lived and worry about fixing the disaster this country is in.

Megan said...

What on Earth? Would not bat an eye? Do you have any idea what a difficult decision it is to have an abortion? Even if you know it's the right thing to do? It's a decision that affects you for the rest of your life. NOT BAT AN EYE? Do you even KNOW a single woman who has had an abortion? Your logic is flawed and your comment makes me sick.

Christina said...

Let's stop VICTIMIZING women and EMPOWER them instead!

STAND UP FOR WHAT IS DESERVED AND RIGHT!

***Off soapbox now.***

Sandy said...

Couldn't have said it better myself. When I posted a similar opinion on my fb page, I got all sorts of flack, but it is wrong that these republican legislators are poking their noses into our own freedom of choice instead of fixing the REAL problems in this country. Glad to see that at least someone else sees how insane this is. Thanks Jen!

Anonymous said...

I have officially changed my political party to "Embarrassed to be a Republican" after the stances these people have made. I am horrified about this, and basically any of them are saying about OUR rights. I didn't realize how we are such pawns in their game of life.

Allison said...

Hi Dan, I think you should really read what you wrote there and truly focus on the "I have no idea..." part. Because that's the part that you wrote that is true- you have no idea. And that's a simple fact. We aren't asking you to have an idea- we are simply asking for you to respect the fact that we can make our own decisions. Your view point is your view point and that is fine. But until you walk a mile in our shoes, you won't have any idea and you never will. You don't have a right to tell me or any other woman what I can do with my body and I don't have the right to tell you or any other person what you should do with yours. That's the take home message of this post.

And I disagree. You won't find three people who will make "logical, scientific arguments" to support all three of those. You will find two who will make religious and emotional arguments, and one who will make a scientific one.

Jen Piwtpitt said...

I adore you, Dan, and I hear you. I have to agree with Anonymous above. I know that there are irresponsible women who will use abortion as a form of birth control, but believe me when I tell you, the majority of us do not take such a thing lightly. Many of us who have given birth would have a heart-wrenching choice, because we KNOW what it feels like to carry life. That being said, we have to be treated like human beings who can make our own decisions. We have to be allowed to make our choices for ourselves and decide what is best for us in every situation. If our rights are trampled and limited now, it's only a matter of time before we haven't got any rights left.

Jen Piwtpitt said...

Thank you. I agree completely. There seems to be a "I'm crazier than you" contest going on right now and they're the loudest ones.

Becky said...

Yes! I have been ranting about this for weeks and I know everyone I know is tired of hearing it. It actually shocks me that anyone thinks it is ok for our government to make these laws! Unfortunatley, here in the bible belt, there seem to be a lot of bible thumpers who agree with the law makers. It is frightening to think how far BACK they are going to take this country!

Jen Piwtpitt said...

Lucky for them a new drug has just approved. It works even faster than Viagra. ;)

Lindsay said...

I have been ranting about all the states trying to pass these asinine bills against women. I told my husband that I really believed when I was younger that things would be different when I was an adult. The people I grew up with couldn't possibly grow up to be as sexist, racist and narrow minded as the older people were. I was so thrilled when I had two girls and now I just want to cry knowing that every day the US takes like 50 steps backwards. I am so scared for their future!

Anonymous said...

Jen - FANTASTIC post!!! Living in Alabama my opinion on these issues is not always the popular one, and I have learned when to keep my mouth shut. Most of your posts on this matter in particular are incredibly inspiring and motivating and remind me that I should be doing and saying more to remind people what state legislators are trying to do. And I also appreciate you calling a spade a spade, these are REPUBLICAN legislators, presidential nominees and talk show hosts who are pushing this agenda. Someone saying that they think all politicians are spewing this same bile and simply Republicans in denial.

Allison said...

Jen,

I understand your reaction. Why? Because I live in the state that's worse than yours- Texas. It's the state where our doctors provide pamphlets detailing the link between abortion and breast cancer (a "link" that has been thoroughly debunked in the scientific community). It's the state where the Virginia law of forced ultrasounds was based upon- because that's already the legal standard here. It's the state where our governor defunds Planned Parenthood because 3% of their services are abortions- never mind that 97% are women's health care for low income women. It's enraging; it's saddening; it's reality. I won't ever stop fighting it and you shouldn't either.

You ask why. I'll give you the reason. It's pretty simple and can be boiled down to one word: religion.

Anonymous said...

Last time I checked, men are 1/2 of the baby making equation, so they do and should have a say/opinion since it is their child too. I get tired of women thinking just about themselves in the decision to abort. I'm a woman and I think men have a right to be part of the discussion.

Christal said...

Well said. I will always remember what a professor told me, "If you are a woman or brown, never vote Re publican." I'm both, so I took that advice.

Anonymous said...

You aren't still going to vote for the Republicans are you? You should officially change it to "never going to vote for these Republican douche canoes again!"

Erin said...

As soon as I am finished with my final exams this week, I am doing this: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/03/knit-your-congressman-vagina-contraception-abortion

I have no idea why Congress is even *thinking* about regulating my uterus. It doesn't have anything to do with interstate commerce - my uterus doesn't get up in the morning and go to work (aside from the usual bodily functions), so back off people. Even McCain said it was time to drop this topic and move on to something worth while. I will not, nor ever, write to my Congressman to ask his/her opinion on what I should do with my reproductive organs. The only medical education they've had is checking out the Medical Encyclopedia when they were teenagers to see what "it" looked like. I think I'd rather a person with a MEDICAL degree with my best interest in mind decide (along with ME) what is best for my 'junk.'

Lyndsay said...

Jen - I love you and your blog...but I wish you would stop generalizing Republicans. Do you realize there were Democrats in the Kansas House of Representatives that voted YES for this? And that there were Republicans in the Kansas House of Representatives that voted NO for this? You can view the voting records of all of your representatives online.
I am a Republican, and I do believe life starts at conception but I DO NOT agree with this bill. It is disgusting to allow doctors to lie to their patients and I wish the government would stay out of our bedrooms. Doctors should be educating their patients and letting them make their own decisions. But it isn't all Republicans voting for this. There are Democrats who voted yes for this.

LaurenRitta said...

1.) And Republicans are always saying that "Obamacare" was too much government interference with the health care industry?

2.) I've NEVER understood the particular brand of pro lifer who INSISTS that at risk pregnancies be carried out, and this law allows a medical professional to HIDE information that could lead to any number of prenatal catastrophes in order to do just that. If they really believe that a fetus is a person with rights, then wouldn't this all just be reckless endangerment?

Anonymous said...

Jen,
I really don't understand why not killing unborn babies is consider a bad thing. I do understand that every woman I know who has had an abortion has regreted it every day of their life. Unless you read the bill yourself, don't beleive what you are reading in the liberal press. This "war" on women BS is election year liberal propaganda. And abortion is decied by the court not politicians. And if you want to stay at the top I would stop slamming politics and religion if I were you. It is not what people read your blog to see.

Anonymous said...

Actually his rights as the father of the baby growing in side the mother are being completely ignored. Not even addressed. Unfortunately there are plenty of women in the world who have MULTI abortions. "the right thing to do" is that your way of saying it would be an inconvenience to be pregnant or hard to give up a baby that you shouldnt be attempting to raise or are unable to raise? Lets be real here, there are only about 3-5 DAYS a month a woman has a chance of getting pregnant. Using all the proper precautions that are available in including ABSTAINING during that time, the number of abortions should not be as high as they are. less than 1% are due to rape or incest, 39000 medical necessity. How can the rest be justified as "the right thing to do". People need to GROW UP and take responsibilities for their actions ABORTING a baby is not "the right thing to do"

Anonymous said...

All I can say is wow

Gayle said...

Very well said. I agree 100 percent!

Anonymous said...

As a social worker who works with children who are often the unwanted & forgotten in our society this angers me ... What these politicians don't realize is that we will all be taking care of these children who are born into a situation where a mother was lied to or even worse died because of Doctor's choices. Are the politicians going to personally take care of these children because they will be the ones to suffer the most from this law. I also have a young daughter who has the right to make choices for her body & her life & so do I. I cried when I read this because nothing makes me angrier then a bunch of rich white politicians who are taking their own personal beliefs & religions & using their position to make law. They all forget they work for us & to be honest as Americans we forget to remind them they work for us. We often roll over & take it up the butt. We should unite as a people & remind each & every one of them that they work for us!

Megan said...

It's what I read her blog to see. ;)

Anonymous said...

No way! I couldn't live with myself if I did.

Anonymous said...

I can't believe this is even being considered... Did anyone else notice how quickly the whole stress test prior to prescribing Viagra thing was shut down, and yet women have to have all of these restrictions? How can a woman's body be considered subjective and a man's is not??!! Absolutely ridiculous!!
And what ever happened to the Hippocratic Oath? "Do no harm" my ass!!

Anonymous said...

Agree. What happened to people just going to church, living their life the way they want to believing in whatever they believe. Now they shove it down everyone's throat, pushing their beliefs upon everyone else. It's out of control!!!!

Anonymous said...

This is a law that other states are also working on or have passed too. They believe by allowing doctors to not inform their patients that something is wrong with their unborn infant, the patients not knowing will think the child is healthy and not abort. Well, what they are doing for many of these infants is a death sentence. If they are born at any random hospital, these infants will die without the proper medical treatments or expertise.

It also opens OBs and hospitals up for suits and a suit vs. the states too. Wrongful birth - and those cases have been won over and over again. So, in the end these laws will be overturned but it will cost how many lives and how much money?!!!

I trust that women out there (most of them) can take charge of thier bodies and from their own personal views make the best decissions for them. That has long been a problem with the Republican Party - they don't trust women. (Sarah Palin - need I say more?)

Anonymous said...

I agree with you, Jen. Also, this will reverse everything our great grandmothers and grandmothers worked so hard for. Criminalizing the woman's body will force women with unwanted pregnancies (for whatever reason) to resort to drastic measures as they did in the early 1900-1960's. Women will be forced to get an illegal abortion in a dirty back alley illegal clinic, take toxic drugs, or sick coat hangers up their vaginas to terminate pregnancies. Women will die. It is so sad that this could happen. Before people advocate why abortion needs to be unlawful, they need to read the history and remember why it was legalized.

Anonymous said...

what is scarier than any bill is all these people saying I will alwasys vote democrat. How about researching and thiking and voting for the best presidential candiadte?

Jen Too said...

OMFuckingG!!! These politicians need to be stopped! I am and always have been pro-choice. I always will be. Not for the perceived "convenience" of having abortion safely available. I don't even know if I could do it but I have many people close to me (educated, smart women) who have had to resort to it for varying reasons. They think about it every day. I have cried with them and shared their losses. If they had been subjected to these archaic rules and preposterous ideas (lying doctors...WTF!?!) they would have gone through so much more pain. This outrages me beyond belief!

What right does ANYONE have to make decisions pertaining to MY body? In the name of THEIR beliefs? My beliefs don't count because they are "wrong" in the eyes of their Deity? That is an absolute abomination of the creedo of "Separation of Church and State" isn't it?!

Democracy is dying in America... and our most personal rights with it. Right-wing conservatives are forcing their religious beliefs down our throats and up our crotches! Special Interest groups and lobbyists are steering our politicians when they are SUPPOSED to be doing what the public MAJORITY voted for them to do. For instance, here in CT our gov't officials allowed themselves to be bullied by Special Interest groups to repeal the Death Penalty last week... an outrageous anti-democracy act (60%+ majority wanted to keep it).

This crap keeps up, I am done. Canada... here I come!

Keep ranting Jen. Maybe if enough of us do, someone will hear us!

-jen too

Megan said...

I got pregnant right before I was going to start college. It was an accident. I was on the pill, but I was on antibiotics for my wisdom teeth. No one ever told me that antibiotics can make birth control ineffective. I thought I was using the proper precautions. It was a horrible time for me to get pregnant. I had no job, was about to start college, was unmarried, the list goes on. Do you know what happened I kept the baby. I'm pro-choice. It's not about the pregnancy being an inconvenience. Most women won't have an abortion for that reason.

My sister was pregnant a few years back. They discovered that her baby had a defect with his heart and lungs. She decided to terminate because even if he did survive long enough to be born, his life would be short and agonizing. Ending it then was the right thing to do. Torturing her baby was not.

I can't speak for anyone else who has had an abortion. But you asked what I meant by "the right thing to do". Where there you have it.

spymay said...

You're absolutely right...you're out of line.
Those with a uterus, raise your hand.Wait,you're hand's not up.
Ok, Mr. Disagreeable..you're entitled to your opinion no matter how penis-influenced it is, but I find it highly offensive that you think you know any "qualms" that women have.
I've never known anyone who has had an abortion who did it on a whim.

KneeHighChaos said...

I understand your anger. I have felt it many times myself.

I am a Republican woman. I am passionate about marriage equality (as in, I think any two consenting adults should be allowed to legally marry each other). I have always considered myself a feminist (more Stanton than Steinem), and am fascinated by women's history (or Herstory, as my women's history class was titled) and am always excited to see more women getting involved politically. I believe Planned Parenthood does a LOT of good in our country, especially for low-income and young women who would otherwise not have access to inexpensive birth control or reproductive health services.

I have wrestled with the abortion debate for a long time. I want to join up with my ladies and get all pissed about The Man keeping us down (and usually, I do) but when it comes to abortion, I'm sorry -- I just can't disregard those babies. Girl babies, boy babies -- they have value.

There is no proof of when life begins. We don't know for sure. Science can't pinpoint the moment that a ball of cells acquires a soul. So why do we mess around with that? Why do we keep telling ourselves it's okay that we mightpossiblyokayprobably are killing tiny people? Why is it bad that I want to stand up for those babies? I am not advocating that a woman should be able to be forced to get pregnant. I am saying that once she's pregnant, it's not just about her anymore. It's about both of them. While my heart breaks for any woman who desperately does not want to be pregnant, yet is, I can't ignore the plight of those tiny lives being snuffed out in the name of choice.

I absolutely do not judge any woman who has had an abortion or who thinks it's okay to have one. In a perfect world, we would be born with magic switches that flip on when we want a baby, and flip off when we don't. But being human is messy. There is nothing fair or easy about being a woman. We really, really do have it harder than men, and we still kick their asses.

It's not fair that we have to bleed every month; that we typically have slower metabolisms than men; that we are THE conduits for the future of humanity; and it's not fair that we should have to give birth to a baby we don't want to parent. But that shitty hand we've been dealt is nothing compared with what abortion does to those babies. They can't speak for themselves, so why is it wrong that I stand up for them?

If there really was nothing wrong with abortion, then why would we have to say things like, "I personally would never do it, but I think other women should be able to." Why? Why wouldn't they do it? If there is even a chance that you really are snuffing out a life, does your own desire to be baby-free trump that possibility?

Jen, I love this blog, and I truly do understand why you're so fired up. You might even still be too fired up to hear what I'm saying, and that's okay. I have a lot of fantastically liberal friends who love me in spite of my Republican affiliation, and who understand that I'm not just another religious wingnut who wants to politically poke around your ladybits. I just don't want all those babies to die. You know?

One other thing: the bit about doctors being able to lie to patients or hide information from them is heinous. I agree that the KS legislature crossed a huge line with that bill. And it goes both ways -- I think a doctor providing abortions should be held to the same standards. Women deserve open, honest, quality, health care, as well as the opportunity to make educated, informed decisions about our bodies, abortions or otherwise.

SuziG said...

Sorry Jen, I'm not trying to jump to your defense so much as I'm going to point out to some people how idiotic they are, and well, wrong. And I'm sorry I'm replying wrong, for some reason my browser is being stupid.

First, "Republicans are always saying that Obamacare was too much government interference with the health care industry." Oh puhlease! If we're going to get into a political debate on this comment thread, then do some more research. This is in the Supreme Court because MASS amounts of Americans, whether they're Republican, Democrat, Independent, voting Mickey Mouse, or for the damn color purple LOATHE the idea of Obamacare.

Second, "I really don't understand why not killing unborn babies is consider a bad thing."
This is NOT about that. No one wants to go around killing unborn babies. If that were the case, I highly doubt that the serial killer of unborn babies would be doing it with LEGAL abortions. *sigh* P.S. It's not just the "liberal" Press, but I get that if you're an extremist, you're going to throw it all out there. Oh, and if you're going to stop reading a blog because of her opinion, you're a moron. Blogs are ABOUT opinions. Deal with it.

And last but not least, to this person.

"Actually his rights as the father of the baby growing in side the mother are being completely ignored. Not even addressed. Unfortunately there are plenty of women in the world who have MULTI abortions. "the right thing to do" is that your way of saying it would be an inconvenience to be pregnant or hard to give up a baby that you shouldnt be attempting to raise or are unable to raise? Lets be real here, there are only about 3-5 DAYS a month a woman has a chance of getting pregnant. Using all the proper precautions that are available in including ABSTAINING during that time, the number of abortions should not be as high as they are. less than 1% are due to rape or incest, 39000 medical necessity. How can the rest be justified as "the right thing to do". People need to GROW UP and take responsibilities for their actions ABORTING a baby is not "the right thing to do""

Are you a man or a woman? There is NOT only 3-5 days a month that a woman can get pregnant. You are truly a moron. You need to look up ovulation frequency, it is different for EVERY woman. The sperm can live in the body for 3-5 days after being ejaculated, however the woman can be fertile for up to 7 days, depending on the woman. I suggest you do some research before you "speak." For some people abortion IS the right thing to do. Especially those who are raped or the child is going to be a product of incest (as a result of rape). Don't pretend you know all situations or preach to others what they should do based on your beliefs. And the numbers you have are only based on reported cases. Unless you're going to do some footwork and get out door to door, remove the foot from your mouth (or hands as case may be) and let this situation rest. You have NO idea the psychological trauma that plays on a woman (or child) once she's had a child out of rape or incest, and thousands of cases go unreported so counting that 1% that is reported is grossly miscalculated. You're simply making yourself look like an ass and removing all doubt in this discussion.

Anonymous said...

Oh yes. Send your congressman a knitted uterus. That'll get them to listen to you and take women's issues more seriously. Worst. Idea. Ever.

Iyoru said...

I completely agree with Jen! I also heard that a pregnant victim of rape will have to be questioned if it really was rape! The doctor must be sure the pregnancy is not the result of normal marital activities.

Also, I hear the same argument from pro life individuals all the time. They say "abortion is used all to often as a form of birth control" With all due respect, is there any research or statistics that show this is actually happening? I personally have never known any woman who did this. In fact it is the hardest gut wrenching decision any woman will ever make.

Anonymous said...

I already posted on your Facebook post about this, but I'm going to post it again here.

Ladies and gentlemen, if you are upset, irritated, frightened, or otherwise displease with the way women's rights are being stripped away, please consider joining the group UniteWomen.org. Find your state's chapter from that page, sign up, volunteer, contribute, donate, and educate yourselves. This ish is going on all over the country, literally. It's happening at the national level too, so don't think it won't affect you or someone you love.

Remember: http://www.unitewomen.org/. The group itself is non-partisan, although the politics of today make it clear women's rights is being turned into one. It should not be, and that's all there is to it.

Anonymous said...

This is not snark, I promise... but I sincerely hope you are taking other precautions like an IUD or a tubal ligation, in order to prevent a horrifically ill child from being conceived. We had a situation like this in my family, and it was terribly painful for everyone. Best wishes for you.

spymay said...

Yep, me too Megan.

Anonymous said...

Democrats are just as guilty! I hope you're ready to vote Libertarian, because they're the only ones who make sense anymore. Anyone who thinks all Democrats are pro-choice and all Republicans are pro-life really does not understand politics.

Marie said...

As a woman I would not choose to have an abortion nor do I think they should be illegal except in severe cases. This is 2012 and as women we have the choice to use numerous forms of protection and if you don't want a pregnancy you can double up your protection and there is a morning after pill if you are ever in doubt about being at risk for pregnancy. It is my opinion that as an intelligent woman you should be smart enough to use the tools provided to prevent unplanned pregnancy so that an abortion isn't necessary. If you have no choice in having sex, ie rape/incest, the situation is vastly different. That being said, the right to birth control is mine and not the governments. I fully agree that no woman capable of child bearing should not be put into a position where she has no control over whether or not she becomes pregnant. I also agree that physicians should NEVER for any reason be allowed to lie. I believe as a woman that I am responsible for myself and should never leave my reproduction rights up to any man and that i must be proactive in defending that right. As to the woman who said men's rights are not taken away I have to disagree, as men have no right to a child that is every bit as much theirs as the woman's. If we as women want to be empowered we should do it before conception when no one else is hurt by our decision. And again NO ONE should ever have the right to take that choice away. I will rally to stop much of this bill. Usually I feel these bills do not pass because they are not meant to by the politicians. They tack on ridiculous things to bills that may otherwise pass, in order to be sure that they don't but they can still blow smoke up our asses and say they tried so they can once again be elected. This is my opinion of the whole political system, not just republicans. I am an agnostic when it comes to politics...I weigh the pros and cons of each candidate and vote for whoever sucks the least. I gotta tell you it gets harder and harder to vote!!!
I certainly hope this bill is cut down before it becomes law because the majority of it really sucks!!

Anonymous said...

as the subject deals with personal issues and life and death situations. I completely undersand the strong feeling However, I second the suggestion that you actually read and study the Kansas Law and get your information first hand not from the press or others emotional charged reaction. If you are not a Kansas voter and are concerned that a similar law may be suggested in your state it is even more important to become political aware . Final suggestion, get to know your reps voting record not just their political party. They vary alot within both parties. Understanding that this blog as the title implies is the place to get emotional and "tell it like it is". Now support those emotions with some facts, figures, and clear points if you want to be taken seriously and make a difference.

Anonymous said...

This is exactly why adoption laws and processes need to be completely overhauled. The U.S. makes it so hard for good potential parents to adopt children who need homes. I have had three couple-friends attempt to adopt a baby/child before trying IVF -- not one could make it work. Terribly sad that so many kids are either left to rot in the system, are abused in some way by resentful parents, or aborted... when they could have been adopted by loving people.

a runner said...

"...hardest, gut-wrenching decision any woman will ever make." Truer words have never been written.

Anonymous said...

1) I totally agree with you
2) I hope that everyone will go and vote tomorrow
3) I'm starting to wonder if we aren't giving politicians a little too much power over our lives. It's too late right now for me to elaborate, but we the people run this country, so let's take it the fuck back.

Anonymous said...

"Crude language/cursing" is also a form of expression and not always a form of disrespect. You can be respectful and angry at the same time. Anger is a normal human emotion. Can you tell me where the word fuck came from? People think it came from "fornication under consent of the king," but indeed, it did not, and to this day nobody knows where it came from.

I think you should look up the word "coward," since you are posting anonymously. You can't even post your opinion as yourself. At least she has the bravery to give her opinion so publicly and stand up for something, for herself, and her family.

Anonymous said...

If abortion is to be illegal lets also make blow jobs, hand jobs, and Viagra illegal. Throw in adultery also. Sign away, jack holes, sign away...

Chamonix said...

Jen,
This is the absolute BEST thing I've yet read about this subject. I share your indignation, your fear, and yes, your FUCKING RAGE that in 2012', people are still trying to control what goes on in other people's bodies!

As for those traitorous Republican legislators, it is about damn time they realized that those of us who fought for equal rights decades ago, are the ones who made it possible for them to even run for elected office.

Tina said...

No I am totally irresponsible and plan to abort willy nilly. see? Snark. Dumb questions get dumb answers.

Anonymous said...

That's what we are planning on doing.

Anonymous said...

1. Abortions are not cheap. They are not pain free. People YELL at you from the street. They don't want to sit down and talk with you, they want to YELL at you. Doesn't matter if you're going in for a routine exam or to re-fill your birth control. People freaking YELL at you. Last time someone who I didn't know yelled at me, they got the finger. Good job activists, you're really getting so much done. You're really making me want to see your point of view *eyeroll*

2. Yes, men do have an equal right to a decision, but for every woman that uses abortion as birth control, there is a man who equally doesn't give a flying shit. There are military guys who knock women up before they go to basic. There are rapists. There are men who had a one night stand because they just could not bear their own hand for one more night. Lots of these men are also on board for abortion, but nobody seems to want to mention that. It's 50-50, either positive or negative.

If I had a dollar for every man I dated who didn't have any condoms whatsoever or didn't even think to ask me if I was on birth control, I would donate it to Planned Parenthood because I had the condoms (luckily) thanks to them.

3. You can't be pro-life and pro-war. You're fucking retarded if you are. Please go to war and see what I'm talking about.

Shannon said...

Well, Jen's blog so she gets to rant AND ask for a bit of respectfulness when she likes. You can't tell me you've never had a day when you've never done both in what is essentially your living room.

Tracee Orman said...

Dan--If the government won't let you claim your unborn baby as a dependent on your taxes, then its life has NOT begun. It's a double-standard when they decide one way for their own benefit and another way to protect "others' beliefs".

Regardless of where you stand on the issue, NO ONE has the right to make decisions about our health/bodies except us. And I agree with the posters above, I have NEVER known ANY woman who wouldn't think twice about an abortion or does it on a whim. That is plain ridiculous. Do you even know what these women have to go through beforehand?? Obviously not.

Anonymous said...

Republican legislators?! Last I checked, Obamacare was written by a democrat? Talk about poking noses into our freedoms of choice.

Jennifer said...

Further proof that America is going to hell in a hand basket. I can't understand why anyone would think that a bill like this would be a good idea.

I'm terrified where this will lead; will my daughter have to get married in order to be part of society like in the past? Will her husband control everything she does, beat her if she doesn't listen? Thinking about my daughter's future scares the hell out of me. She deserves whatever she wants and for politicians to think that they can tell her what she can and cannot do pisses me off!

Bills like these set a very dangerous precedent and I can only hope the people of America will get off their asses and stand up for everybody's rights-man, woman, black, white, purple, gay, straight, whatever. Until we lose this sense of complacency, nothing will improve.

Anonymous said...

Amen

Anonymous said...

So many points to make here. First off, I'm going to say that I am totally pro-life. On all counts.

Not everything in this bill is good, and not everything is bad. A doctor should NEVER lie to a patient. If there is a problem with the baby, then the parents have a right to know. From the research I have done, some people say that the debate between abortion and the link to breast cancer is still going on. I think that the doctor should tell the woman about the risks as well as tell her that it's just a warning.I have two children, and I was told the risks that came along with pregnancy and childbirth, why not let patients know the possible risks of abortion? Give the doctor a little credit to live up to his/her oath and be honest with the patient.
I'm sorry that you all seem to see this as a "war on women" when it is obviously a "war on the unborn". A war on the "inconvenient". A woman, with the exception of rape, has the choice to keep her legs closed. To be honest with you all, I wish that abortions were completely ILLEGAL, however, that is not very practical. I strongly believe that there should be NO taxpayer money used to pay for abortions. Abortions should NEVER be taxed. We should make NO money off of such an atrocity.
It really is scary how many women will want the right for themselves and their daughters to kill their unborn child for convenience. What are we coming to? They are not just fetuses, they are babies. Humans. They want us to say "fetus" to dehumanize them and make the idea of killing them tolerable to the masses. Kind of like Hitler did to the Jews. (the word "fetus" is Latin for "offspring" or "young one". Just an FYI).
It's really simple, if you don't want to get pregnant, just don't have sex.
"If a woman can kill her own child, what is left for me to kill you, or you to kill me?"
Also, I'm going to just say it, but if a woman chooses to have some disgusting, back alley abortion I don't really feel that sorry for her. She has a choice to do that to herself. The baby has no choice. She could give the baby for adoption. If there are too many babies up for adoption, then why do people have to wait so long on lists for a baby to adopt? Why do they go to other countries because it's easier to get a baby there? People will say "what about the quality of the babies life?" , but that's not up to you or me to decide what quality that persons life has.

Also, on Planned Parenthood, the statement about 3% of the business are abortions is kind of a half truth. The real fact is that out of the individual services they provided, 289,750 were abortions—roughly 3%. But this figure fails to account for the fact that a woman visiting Planned Parenthood for an abortion will receive several services—from a pregnancy test to some manner of counseling to the abortion itself—each of which is counted separately. There is no doubt that Planned Parenthood is in the business of abortion. And who can blame them? That's where the money is. You should also look up Margaret Sanger sometime. Her entire agenda was eugenics. She advocated abortion and sterilization to keep down the minority (black), and low income populations. I hope that doesn't sit well with many of you.

Bottom line is, we have to vote our conscience and I just don't know how anyone can be crying over the idea that her child can't choose to kill her own unborn baby. I think it's strange that God was brought into that post. How can you believe in God and the Bible and also believe in abortion?
Don't let this "war on women" distract you from real issues that are more important. Don't fall for it ladies! Be deeper thinkers than that. Don't be a "slogan" voter. Read the bills, don't just repeat what is told to you. Make your own opinion.

Anonymous said...

beautifully put. :)

Heather said...

Please don't forget the .01% who use birth control correctly and get pregnant anyways when referring to the idiot who thinks it should be easy to magically know when we can get pregnant and avoid doing so. I say this because I am in the .01% and the proud mother of a 5 week old boy. That's not to say I think abortion is wrong. I think I want to make decisions about my body and my life for myself and every one else should have that right as well.

Moira Incendia said...

*Applause*

I was a rape victim at age 15. I was treated like a criminal because my "story" didn't match up with my rapist's, in one detail: he claimed it was consensual. I had to go through an incredibly painful physical exam by a completely impersonal pair of nurses, which was videotaped, as well as several hours of questioning by detectives and staff from the prosecutor's office, before I was allowed to take the "morning after pill". My rapist didn't have to prove anything. He didn't have to explain anything. He was innocent until proven guilty, and I was treated as a whore until proven otherwise.

I have been on birth control since I was 12 because of endometriosis. My mother had it, my grandmother had it, and my great-grandmother had it. It causes excruciating pain, extensive bleeding, and serious damage to the reproductive organs, along with an extremely irregular cycle. There is literally NO WAY for me to know when I'll start or stop my period in any given month.

Unless you have been told at the age of 12 that you need to have as many children as you want, as early as you can, and then have a full hysterectomy; unless you have been called a whore at the age of 15 by a prosecuting attorney who is supposed to be on your side; unless you have picked up the shreds of your self-confidence and built a life in spite of all of that-

Stay the hell out of my bedroom, my uterus, and my birth control. You have NO RIGHT to be there.

Kathie said...

Oh Lord, what would I have done in 1977 when I became pregnant while using illegal drugs? I terminated that pregnancy safely, with only the flak from my immediate family to deal with. I know at the time I would have tried a knitting needle because that was how desperate I felt. I truly did think "get this thing out of me"; what kind of mother would I have become? Like my own, who hated her own 7 children with a passion? Never did find out.

Kathie said...

Simply silly.

Anonymous said...

simply gross

Kathie said...

Bless your heart for sharing such a painful incident from your young life.

Anonymous said...

I'm a woman and like other women, government or no government, I have always had a choice: I prevented pregnancy. Unfortunately I know many women who have undergone repeated "birth control abortions." Unacceptable. The rape victim scenario is more uncommon than anyone is willing to admit, and yes, quite different. While I don't subscribe to the notion that our bodies should be regulated by government, emphasis also needs to be placed on personal responsibility and preventative measures. Yes, most of that ends up on the woman's shoulders. Biologically that is our fate. Our young daughter is learning the merits of personal responsibility...that which saved me the heartwrenching decision faced by those who have created babies they didn't want. Yes "accidents happen" but women shouldn't carelessly walk a sexual tightrope as if the abortion safety net will save us every time. Less bravado and more personal responsibility. It is possible to prevent pregnancies and at least reduce the amounts of abortions. It just is.

Kristy said...

It is a sad sad day that the Republican party has been hijacked by extreme moral groups and stripped of it's basic premise of SMALL GOVERNMENT.

It's sexist. They are not making the bill to cover all citizens, just women. If you can't target ethnic or religious groups with bills - then how is it legal to target gender groups??

If they are going to start dictating what we can and cannot do in our reproductive rights, then COME ON A$$HATS, join the 21st century and institute a paid maternity leave. The mighty United States is 1 of only 4 countries in THE ENTIRE WORLD that does not make a paid maternity leave mandatory. There are countries in AFRICA that have better maternity leave laws than us!! How about catching up with the rest of the world on maternal support before you go making more of us mothers against our wishes.

Additionally, just because you make a woman carry a child to term - does not mean they are prepared to keep it or take care of it. Lets place MORE burden on the faltering and over-stressed foster and child services system.

Anonymous said...

No more silly than your opinion, Kath.

Anonymous said...

I'm not a woman, so I have no offerings of relation to the use of your uterus, but I can tell you a few helpful things:

- You going back to the kitchen: Maybe, but not before finishing your shift. Getting the other half of America working (Women) was no easy task. It was disguised with femenist rights in mind. You have the right to work...oh yeah...the current economic situation states you HAVE to work to survive decently without some Gubament food stamps.

- C.O.D: It's not that they DON'T want you to have abortions...it's just that they want you to feel like you are breaking the law & at the same time give some tax to Uncle Sam to hit you with the coat hanger.

It's important to make people constantly feel like they are breaking the law in one manner or another. This keeps everyone bound to the state for fear of a police visit...you know...the people that blindly uphold the law for the people that sit and think of shit on paper that real people live through. And never forget that it will always be easier & quicker to think of the next bullshit rule that everyone needs to feel guilty about not following then it is to actually live through it. That is the fun of politics as a whole. Some asshole thinks of something & you have to do it.

I disagree with your change of heart regarding political parties though. It's just Uncle Sam with a red and a blue glove taking turns handing out wheat and stabbing everyone in the face with arrows. Once people realize that the 'lesser' evil is just another glove on the asshole punching them in the face...maybe there will be a change...but don't expect it anytime soon, cause there's a sale at Wal-Mart, and women are too busy picking the size and shape of the shovel that they make their husbands work for to dig their own grave to make any real changes. If not their husbands, then their own shovel. There is no real current god except the dollar, and women are livin' and lovin' the lord....cause they're bird brained tin-foil chasing mongos, and men follow them. Thanks for leading us to this sesspool of a world...Women..who cares!

P.S: Hope your uterus situation works out

~*~MizTink~*~ said...

While I don't live in Kansas, I am not delusional to the fact that this is happening in other states and I know that it is only a matter of time before it happens to start landing on the ballots in my mailbox. This is a topic I've been "idly" following in the news for a little while now and have been "working" on a blog post about it. Yours, out of pure anger and obvious concern for all women's rights, has inspired me to finish my half-hearted attempt (though I'm sure it will pale in comparison to the lashing you've just unleashed here). As always, I enjoyed your most recent ranting and look forward to the next one, since you always manage to inspire me to want to write about the things that irk me the most :)

Anonymous said...

You're insane. Also, you have terrible grammar, especially considering you're an internet blogger. Did you even use spell check, or just write up this emotionally-driven, psychotic rant and post it as fast as possible to stem your anger? Oh, and you have a reoccurring pattern of blatant selfishness in your writing. I'm not sure you're the last person I'd ever listen to on anything, but I get the impression you're right up there.

Kristy said...

Planned Parenthood is not only in the business of abortion. I have 10 friends (including myself) who used planned parenthood as a primary female healthcare facility because we were uninsured college students. Not ONE of us had an abortion. We had health checks, annual exams and consultation on reproductive health. Now 10 yrs later two of my friends have still used Planned Parenthood to support them through their pregnancies. They provide vital health services to millions of women who couldn't afford care elsewhere.

You wouldn't say a hospital is in the business of DEATH because people die there, but you are making the same statement of Planned Parenthood because a portion of their services result in something distasteful to you.

Anonymous said...

Lets call these "extreme" Republicans what they truly are, shall we? They are not Pro-Life, they are Pro-Fetus. Sadly, they are pro-fetus even at the expense of the mother's life. Disagree? Let's see..what party stands behind the death penalty and are pro-gun. Gee..doesn't sound very "pro-life" to me, in fact, it sounds very hypocritical. No, I'm not Democratic, I'm independent and I believe a woman is perfectly capable of making her own decisions without the crazy Republicans standing over her. Great post, Jen.

Anonymous said...

"Hope your uterus situation works out"?

How about I hope you pull your head out of your ass? You're really going to sit their and TRY to blame women for the state of the world as it is now? Last I checked men, for the most part, are still running the show in many parts of the world. Go pick up some history books and educate yourself, you sound ignorant and uneducated.

Anonymous said...

"She could give the baby for adoption. If there are too many babies up for adoption, then why do people have to wait so long on lists for a baby to adopt?"

Out of all the comments I've read through today yours is officially the most ignorant! Congratulations! You obviously have no clue what the adoption system is like in the United States.
1. most people are wait listed because they want babies. God forbid they give the kids over 5 a chance
2. the red tape to adopt a child is a long and tedious process. It's not like the pound where you walk in, point,and say, "That one!"
3. it's expensive to adopt in the US. $30,000 is the average amount spent. A lot of good people that want children can't afford it.
4. If you don't fit into the 'upper middle-class' 1 man 1 woman marriage adoption in the US is especially hard. God forbid a loving GLBT couple be allowed to give a home to a child in need (that's a completely different argument, though)

It honestly surprises me that you haven't known anyone that's gone through the adoption process. Otherwise you would already know all these facts

And WOW I'm still sitting here shaking my head over the "close your legs" thing.........Just WOW! You're something else.

Anonymous said...

I didn't say that they are "only" in the business of abortion, but that it IS the majority. The numbers don't lie. I'm well aware of the actual health care that they provide to women who never have an abortion, but to say that it's the majority of what they do is just not true.

Anonymous said...

She's insane because she wants to be able to make her own choices about her health and her body? Right. You must be one of the die hard republican that is pushing for anti-women's health bills. Go buy some viagra and relieve that frustration, pal.

mokrasouth said...

Same here.

Anonymous said...

It's not the New York Times. Sheesh. You said it yourself it's a BLOG. Definition "A personal journal on the WWW" Jen keeps it because she wants to share her opinions. She doesn't have an editing department hanging around her study. If you're looking for polished and politically correct news you should stick to newspapers.

Anonymous said...

Original Poster,

You're pro-life, awesome! I really respect your beliefs and your right to choose that belief. Now reciprocate and get the hell out of my uterus and my bedroom!

Regards,
A Woman Who Can Make Her Own Decisions Without Your Unwanted Assistance

Anonymous said...

Then why, when a pregnant woman is killed, it is counted as 2 murders?

Anonymous said...

Okay, so the guy sounds like a crazed anarchy militia type, but the "Hope your uterus situation works out" actually made me laugh :)

Anonymous said...

Well said! Couldn't agree more.

Anonymous said...

Very, very well said :)

Megan said...

It's only considered double homicide after the point of viability. The law you're referring to is in regards to the Laci Peterson case. She was 8 months pregnant. Late-term abortions are VERY rare and performed only for medical reasons.

Anonymous said...

maybe that's how it was in the Peterson case, but people who have murdered women in much earlier stages of pregnancy, even earlier than 2 months, (in other states) have been charged with 2 counts.

Anonymous said...

Agreed!!!

Anonymous said...

Actually I do know some people who have adopted children from this country, and they never had a big problem with it. My former husband actually did all the paperwork for these couples. I have friends and family who foster children who become their own children, so to speak. I also have a good friend who adopted a child born to a mother who wanted the abortion. They talked her out of it and have given that child a good life. It can be done. Maybe they should make it even easier to adopt a child in this country so people couldn't use it as an excuse to kill the unborn. That's all it is, an excuse.

And I stand by my "close your legs" comment. If you don't want to get pregnant, it's the only foolproof way, don't you think?

Ashley Wright said...

Amen. Amen. Amen. Thanks for sharing, Jen.

Anonymous said...

MagicMonkey,
While I'm sure you are right on some cases, please don't classify all military men as womanizers and bastards. I happen to be married to a wonderful military guy that understands responsibility and supports his family. Otherwise, I completely agree with your post and it is spot on. :)

Anonymous said...

"If you wish to disagree please do so respectfully?" Are you out of your FUCKING MIND??? After that disrespectful, horrible rant and venom you just spewed? If Adolpha was born alive and breathing at 26 weeks could you "legally" put a pillow over her face until she stopped breathing? No? Why not? Oh, but if she is tucked just inches beneath your skin it would be fine? I see... I get your stupid fucking liberal logic. I totally just deleted your insanity from my FB page... I could handle some of your other lower key disrespect for unborn life stuff, but this post is disgusting.

Anonymous said...

Whoa, what a bitchy response! I didn't ask you a question. I was expressing concern and good will for you. Someone's defenses are prickly.

Ali said...

I live in Canada, and I'm well aware of how the activity in the U.S. effects us. I don't understand... you must feel so helpless.

Anonymous said...

@ MagicMonkey -- your vulgar use of the word "retarded" speaks volumes. Beyond offensive. Get a thesaurus.

Ali said...

I love how most of the vacuous, hateful comments are "Anonymous". Such cowards. I'm glad you will not be visiting this blog anymore, as you are an idiot! This community doesn't need you.

Anonymous said...

"Close your legs"
Really? Sex isn't just for procreation, it's for intimacy! Now you're saying that people who don't want babies can't or shouldn't be intimate with their partner? That because of a possible outcome, the act of love should be forbidden to them?
When I tell you to "close your mouth" because I don't like the possible outcome (your insane ideology being dribbled out), are you going to just stand there and take it, just because?
How about if I tell you to "put down the beans and broccoli" because I don't like the possible outcome (more foul air)?
Who gets to choose what goes in your mouth (body)? Oh, you do.
Who gets to choose what comes out of your mouth (body)? Oh, you again.
But I don't get to choose what goes on in my own vagina (body)??
Nice try. You're sending women back to the time when we were property, and not people. Only worse, you want us to be the property of your ideology, not even our own husband. If you want to go live in a cave with your ideas, great, but leave me and my body ALONE!

Anonymous said...

Your baby would be 35 now. I wonder what good for the world he or she could have done in those 35 years. Your hard-heartedness is so very sad. I'm genuinely sorry your mom made you feel that way.

Dawn Marie said...

You said it all and more. Look at the past, see the mistakes. Why are we moving backward, always backward. It's relideous beliefs that have been the problem since the crusades or doesn't anyone read a fucking history book.

Here with you in Mass also.

Jamie said...

Bravo! There is an active assault going on against a woman's reproductive rights and those who disagree need to learn how to read. Did you hear about Arizona's new law? According to Arizona, I'm currently 3 days pregnant and if I actually did get pregnant and want an abortion, my rights would be so severely limited because of how the new law calculates conception. This shit has to stop.

Tonya said...

Wow, is this the first blog of hers you have ever read?? You think this is the first time she has ever talked like this? Lord. It's her blog. She can rant all she wants, any way she wants. Her language was not out of disrespect (although she clearly doesn't respect the Republican legislators and rightfully so) and it is certainly not directed at YOU. However, your disrespectful response IS directed at her. That's what she, respectfully, asked you to hold off on. Just let her vent. Geez. If you don't like her, if you don't respect her, if her anger annoys you, if her language bothers you....STOP reading her blog.

Nus Nogard said...

You have heard of women being raped right? It's not something new. How do you prevent a rape? You can't always fight back enough to stay un-raped (women can get drugged and/or overpowered). Do you just stay away from all males?

Constance said...

She was mad. She was crying while she was typing. Give her a fucking break. Blogs are supposed to be personal. They are often emotional. If you don't like it, don't come back. You, my friend, are insensitive and obviously have some self esteem issues. Huge self esteem issues.

Anonymous said...

Jen. I commend you. When I was in my early 20s, I had an abortion. I was in a relationship and birth control didn't work. I was in college, my mother had just died and I was pregnant. I had no money, no means of caring for a child and would have been forced to raise a child when I wasn't ready. ( I wouldn't have out my child up for adoption). I am glad that I had a choice. It was my choice. I now have 2 children, a wonderful husband, and excellent job and provide for my my family very well. Had I not had an option of my own, I am not sure where I would be today. This is a choice that an individual needs to make....no one can take that away. You need to speak up more......

Tonya said...

Good riddance, Anonymous #159. You are a coward. Her blog. Her words. Her right to speak. Your right to leave. Buh-bye.

Jamie said...

Your stupid fucking logic just compared murdering a living, breathing human to a late term abortion. Which, by the way, are so severely limited and account for about 1 percent of all abortions usuallly done because the woman's life is in danger. Good riddance, dumbass.

Tonya said...

If nothing else, Jen, I respect your courage to speak up about what you believe in. Don't stop.

Hm said...

I couldn't agree more! No one has the right to tell us what we can do to our bodies. Are these politicians going to be around to take care of the children born because of their laws ? I think not! My favorite pro choice saying is " If you don't like abortions, don't have one!". All women should have the right to make their own choice!

Anonymous said...

I am always delighted at the crazies that come out of the woodwork on this issue. There is much social precedence for this. So much that Thomas Frank wrote the book What's the Matter With Kansas. Good book. Thank you for your post, your outrage, and the courage to put it out there. I hope this challenges people to do some research on their elected officials and take their anger (and informed opinion) straight to the polls. We are citizens of a great nation. Let's start holding our lawmakers accountable, being accountable ourselves, and forming educated opinions, not just what you heard on Rush Limbaugh yesterday. Jen's right: This nonsense is coming to a legislature near you unless you do something about it. I am a hard working Mom, prior military, Engineer in Defense Industry, Catholic, military spouse, and a proud Liberal. If you are a woman and a Republican, I hope you are taking a good look at who is out there representing you and what they stand for.

Anonymous said...

As someone said above...if you don't like it don't read it... Last time I checked her rights to freedom of speech don't end because she chooses to use the word "retarded".

Jace said...

Since we are somewhat neighbors in OP, if I was straight, I totally would want you to be my wife. Brownback and the rest of the KS lawmakers need to wake up and focus on the economy, schools, and other more pressing issues than worrying about us gays and abortions. But, in KS, that is what gets them elected.

Anonymous said...

agreed! and very well said...it is beyond frustrating - and absolutely ridiculous!

missy said...

well then anonymous, don't choose to go to the ER and not pay because you chose to not have health insurance. the rest of us pay for billions of dollars medical care that people default on to hospitals, and that makes the hospitals/insurance companies charge more to the rest of us...

TNMom said...

This was quite angry Jenn, but I know that's you and I'm cool with that. I must say, abortion is used FAR too much as birth control. I don't believe it should be. Maybe there is a middle road where there can be a process - is the pregnancy due to an abnormal situation (rape) or is there a valid medical reason why this child will not have a life or endanger the mother’s life? (why is the baby’s life being held in higher regard than the mothers? That, I don't agree with) These cases, after counseling to ensure the woman knows the risks, would be valid reasons. Also, I am even ok with a woman going ahead with an accidental pregnancy abortion but I think she should have to go to some day-long class/counseling that informs of the "life" and options and etc, etc. Also, I think it should cost a lot - like $5000. (for the accidental pregnancy abortions, maybe that could help fund the “valid reason” abortions??).
Doctors LYING or withholding information – absolutely unacceptable – never ever ever ever okay!! We are going to have a shit ton of dirty doctors out there because the good ones are NEVER going to be on board with this. (At one point in one of my pregnancies, I felt like something was being talked around – like something “might” be wrong but they were not going to say anything until they were sure. The next appointment, I was crying saying I hardly slept I was so worried that they saw something concerning. My doctor took both of my hands and looked me right in the face and with tearful eyes sincerely told me how this was MY pregnancy and baby and she was MY doctor - ANYTHING that she saw would be immediately brought to my attention so we could work through it together. Best Doctor Ever!) Also, keeping birth control from or controlling pregnancies – NO WAY! I am in awe at some of the stuff being proposed! (bad awe!)
So, I guess I agree with you 90%, but do feel that some more deterrent could be applied to accidental pregnancy terminations. And I don’t really have the answers and maybe my suggestions totally suck (I am fine with that, I am not an expert in this area), but there has to be some things that can be put into place that will keep women from just getting oops pregnant and going out for a quickie abortion.
I think I sound like a hypocrite, it’s ok if it SEEMS ok, but not if it don’t….just my opinion.
Love you Jenn! Devan

wtg!!! said...

You have said it very very well. No matter how much my practical side wants to turn my head and say, "it is better that some children never be born", I have seen what an abortion does to a baby in the womb and I have seen way to many women who were "lied" to by the clinics and have endured years of pain and regret. Killing an innocent baby who has a heartbeat is not the answer. I have a couple of friends that were told their unborn child had downs and should be aborted, the doctor's almost demanded it. they both have two beautiful children today, completely healthy. THis is a hard issue, but there is value in life and if we continue to ignore that then, we are all doomed.

Anonymous said...

Yay guilting somebody about an abortion they had more than 30 years ago, its what Jesus would do really isnt it? There is absolutely nothing "hard-hearted" about choosing to terminate a pregnancy in what were clearly very difficult circumstances (in my opinion there is nothing wrong with choosing to terminate a pregnancy in any circumstances but there you go)

Kate said...

Disagree, Jen. Will always vote my conscience and until science defines life beginning anywhere after conception, it is morally and should be legally wrong. JMO!

joboosal said...

My choice, my body. Fuck this shit! Voting choices for the presidential election are getting slimmer and slimmer.....

Lisa Rich said...

Seriously? A new drug faster than Viagra? And I'm sure all insurance companies will cover it, right? Argh! That makes my blood boil almost as much as these wackos trying to control my life.

Amanda said...

Guess they need to also outlow miscarriages since they are using flawed information, they might as well use it all!! http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Risk/abortion-miscarriage

slafleur said...

It's all particularly stupid considering that the anti-abortion people are also anti-contraception and anti-sex ed. Seriously. WTF?

Anonymous said...

And once again this Canadian-who-married-an-Amercian is in complete culture shock...SIGH.

AngelaB said...

WTF? I'll tell you... It has nothing to do with politics. This is ALL about religion. Uneducated, brainwashed religious nut jobs pushing their radical beliefs into the lives of everyone. If we, as a country, allow our lawmakers to continue legislating based on religious beliefs then we really are screwed. We have the power to vote. We have the right to assemble and protest. I suggest we all do our part or we'll find ourselves ruled by the church. We can have both church and state...separately.

~MB said...

Jen,
Well said and I find your anger completely justified (in MY book). I have a daughter and to think when she is a woman, if she must make this choice, she may have to travel out of the country or worse.

Yes I am pro-choice, not pro-baby killing. I believe in the inalienable rights set forth in the Constitution. Yes our founding fathers meant for those rights to belong to old white men only- but they forgot to clarify that so women, homosexuals, and different ethnicities benefit. If we have the freedom to speak freely should we not have the freedom to choose? If we must fight for our country and our freedoms- do we not have the right to exercise those freedoms? Even when some one disagrees with us?

Many here have stated the man should get a say. Yes they have a right to their opinion and it should be heard in cases of a healthy relationship where both are partners and consenting adults. Yet I find in cases of abuse, one night stands, maternal health- the gestational carrier gets the final say. That does not sound nearly as inviting does it- gestational carrier, but that is what a woman with an unwanted pregnancy is- she is not a mother.

I live in Ohio and the war on women is alive and well. They have a bill in the State legislature termed the "heartbeat bill". Pretty much says no abortion or termination of pregnancy may occur after a fetal heartbeat is found. Basically meaning you pee on a stick and MUST decide at that moment because if you wait you will be SOL. There are zero clauses for rape, maternal health, or terminal birth defects.

Now for those that want to attack me and my opinion- bring it on. You have never walked in my shoes and you will never understand why I have made the choices I have made.

luvgreen said...

This is the best thing I've ever read in my life. I have the same visceral response to this complete and utter rape of our rights. We have the same shit going on here in Virginia. I took my 'never another Republican vote ever' in the Bush years, but glad you feel the same and thanks for trying to bring another 150 million with you.

I may just spend the day reading the comments.

Unknown said...

Thank you Jen. I live just down the road in Lawrence. I am so completely outraged and people look at me like I have lost my mind. I am voting every last one of them out. Although, for living in the let's vote republican just because we always have Kansas, my vote seems to never actually count.

threelittlebirds said...

This makes me physically sick. I'm finishing up my degree and I'm moving to another state. I don't even want to claim it as my state of birth anymore. No matter what though - I'm voting against every freaking republican I can and I will openly protest any WOMAN republican advocating this bullshit who drank the kool aid. I've had enough.

AngelaB said...

As a younger woman i voted Republican because i feared the Democrats would turn us all into socialists. Now... Socialism seems a far lesser evil than Republicans ruling from the ultra-conservative pulpit.
Keep up the good work Jenn! Keep us laughing and thinking!!

Anonymous said...

Jen - long time reader, first time commenter. I love your blog and I LOVE this post in particular.

One thing that strikes me is that these people didn't just appear. They were elected. So they either lied to the masses, and they are politicians so thats definitely a possibility, or the masses liked what they heard and voted for them. I would guess that they were lied to a little. I doubt anyone said "Yes, I'm going to vote for someone who thinks its a good idea to allow doctors to lie to pregnant women", right? But still, I bet they were pretty hardline on their pro-life views. And I bet thats one of the reasons they were elected. So, if we want to change what the elected officials do with their power, we first have to change the attitude of those that are electing them.

In my country, this is simply not even a discussion. Abortions are legal and available. We're pretty much all pro-choice. CHOICE being the operative word. Being pro-choice doesn't make someone pro-abortion. It means that they believe the woman has the right to choose the path she goes down. I know one girl who had an abortion at a very young age and another who terminated a pregnancy after she found out the baby would not live after it was born. Both situations were very difficult for the woman and, quite frankly, heart breaking. Of all the women I know, and I know a lot, termination has only been an option twice.

Oh and one other thing. All couples who live together have the same legal rights as married people after 2 years. ALL couples. Straight or Gay. I know that is off topic, but just thought I would throw that out there.

And one last point. The national religion is Rugby. That's right, rugby. As in a sport.

I'm posting this under anonymous because I don't have any of those other accounts, but I'm happy to put my name to my words. It's Brigit.

Ali said...

@AngelaB - I agree with you 100%.

Ali said...

Me too! Jen is very articulate ;-)

Anonymous said...

Off topic, but why wouldn't he repeal it? That is already FEDERAL law. Instead of making duplicate laws, we should be enforcing the ones already on the books.

Ali said...

I totally disagree with you, but I commend you for the way with which you expressed yourself.

Anonymous said...

Missy is right. We are already paying for health care. Medicare, medicaid, and unpaid ER visits for those with no insurance. It costs far more to come through our ER then to go to a doctor's office. But if you don't have insurance you don't have the resources for preventative care. You end up in our ER get far more expensive care. Basic health care is a human right.

Sheric said...

AMEN

Anonymous said...

Thank you for saying it! You nailed it. I live in Ohio and we are next. When are we going to stand up and revolt against this? We need to do something.

Anonymous said...

I know this is a serious topic, but your "Warning" made me laugh!

While I am opposed to abortion, I echo your concerns of,not only women, but men as well, losing rights. And, not just reproductive rights. Our country was originally founded personal freedom and they are being eroded away. There are several school systems in California that have made it against the law (seriously!) for you to send lunch with your child to school. Apparently, we are all too stupid to even fix our kids a lunch! It is all in the name of promoting healthy eating habits... which is a noble cause. However, parents can't even pack their kids a PB&J any more. So, while your concerns on this topic are loud and clear, it is MUCH more far reaching than reproductive rights. Dems, Repubs, Libs, and Conservatives are ALL guilty! We do have to vote for those who are prepared to SAVE individual rights even when they are in opposition to our beliefs. If we don't save them for ALL, none of us will have any left! These are just two examples.

~~~~~Kacie - currently in Georgia

Anonymous said...

I’m afraid that it will soon be all Republicans since the Tea Party is determined to drive all moderate Republicans out of office. In Indiana the Tea Party is running a campaign to oust the current senator because he has "comprised" with Democrats in the past. Only the candidates that agree with the most conservative positions can get past the primaries. I am socially liberal / fiscal conservative that used to vote R –but I say I didn’t leave the Republican party –they left me. I wouldn’t vote for any Republican today.

threelittlebirds said...

Some of you MISS the point entirely. Whether or not YOU personally agree or disagree with WHY a woman is having an abortion, that is not YOUR decision to make. It is HER decision. The adult. The one who has been living and breathing already on this earth. Guaranteed by constitutional decision. If you disagree with that - seek to amend the constitution and good luck with that. Stop trying to back door every woman in this country through state legislatures.

Anonymous said...

Agreed!

threelittlebirds said...

Thank you, Kacie. I agree with you! I can agree to disagree with people on several issues, but we have in common the desire to preserve as much individual liberty as possible. I always call myself an anti-abortion pro choice woman. Though I don't think I could do it, I am still making a CHOICE. My own. Right on, Sister.

threelittlebirds said...

We have much in common, and I am seeking out that book. Thanks for this reply post.

Anonymous said...

How about it?? It's what they want. And I had some idiot on FB defriend me because I was sticking up for women. Good riddance moron! Don't you women have a brain? We have already fought this fight. This is crazy.

Kathy said...

I don't miss the point at all. I understand what Jen is saying. My first problem is that Jen asks us that if we disagree, to be respectful. That's fine, I can do that. I'm regularly respectful to those who have a completely different opinion than mine. But then Jen is not respectful herself throughout her entire blog entry. Pot meet kettle???!!!!

As far as abortion itself, it's disgusting. I watched videos of actual abortions in college. Science has not proven that life begins AFTER conception. It begins AT conception. I'm truly sick of pro-choicers who have become so quick to say "But it's about my rights as a woman!" that they are willing to completely disregard the rights of the life they are carrying in their uterus. Pro-choicers have become abortion happy simply to prove their political point and it's gross. They are taking their rights to a whole new level. Abortion, to me, should NEVER be used as birth control. If you are pregnant as a result of not using birth control or birth control failing (let's face it, most happen when none is used at all!), then give the baby up for adoption. And you know, we're not animals... we're human beings - keep your legs shut!!!!!!!! Medical reasons don't suffice for me... let nature take its course.

While I understand the points the other side makes, reading comments on here that basically promote abortion rights make me sick to my stomach. How about doing everything we can to prevent them?

Anonymous said...

When it is time to vote for a President just remember that he will probably get to put one or more justices on the Supreme Court. Our right to choose could be eliminated for the whole country

mrskdawley said...

More often than not lately I've been feeling that all the drama and garbage going on with the upcoming election is overshadowing what is going on behind the scenes....we need to take OUR nation back...protect it from enemies BOTH FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC...I'm personally pro-life, does that mean I have the right to tell everyone what they can/can not do with their bodies? NO!!! Anyone taking a pro-life stance saying that it should be law is hypocritical to the core...because what they are really saying is that since that is their belief everyone else should have to do the same. Ummm...does anyone else see how @ss backward that is?! But regardless of whether someone is a democrat or republican I will always vote according to the issues closest to my heart and what will preserve the republic for which I stand...which sadly is crumbling quickly...so much so that hubby and I have discussed the possibility of moving out of the U.S.A. when we retire:'(

Jennifer said...

I have no issue with anyone speaking any opinion, though I think opinions are sometimes hard to clearly express when "ranting" - which is sort of the point of this blog! To rant!! So have at it, I say!! That said, to me the question is more about beliefs on where life begins. A woman has many rights to her body (and there are parts of this legislation I could never support), but I believe in all scientific arenas that life is demonstrated by cell division. Ideally, women violated by rape, incest, etc. would receive medical care and I can understand/support the option to terminate immediately. Sadly, fear and stigma stand in the way of that ideal, I am a realist. I would not support a law that removed all rights in those instances. I can't believe people are still making the argument about abortion being a form of birth control. I am sure a negligible amount of women might, but come on. I believe many of the women who face this decision come to it in desperation and anguish, either over the health and viability of the child. Pregnancy resulting from consensual sex between adults incurs the risk of pregnancy, regardless of responsible use of birth control. It is an assumed risk and, in my opinion, not a morally acceptable grounds for termination.

I hope that my reply expresses my thoughts clearly and respectfully. I do not intend to offend. I think confronting and clarifying beliefs on political and morality issues is imperative to a healthy democracy. We have a special election today in NC, and the misinformation is sickening, as in your KS election. Even conscientious voters have a hard time understanding the amendments as written, or the repercussions of their pass/fail.

Becky said...

Soooo glad I live in Canada.

Whether or not you agree with why a woman may choose to have an abortion is beside the point. It is a woman's body, and is her right to choose. That's is it. End of story.

Anonymous said...

I have not read through all 180+ comments so I don't know if this has already been stated but how the fuck can a bill be so anti abortion AND anti contraceptive...i mean think about it! Lets use our deductive reasoning skills to figure out why that won't work.

Anonymous said...

I agree with every word you said Jen!

Heather_U said...

It's so refreshing to hear that there are many intelligent women (and men) who understand that this is a hypocritical, dangerous, misogynistic trend that is taking hold of this country.
And to watch women build their own prisons is so sad.

I don't have the answers, only a sympathetic shaking of my head...

Anonymous said...

They are trying that shit in Texas, too. However, an appeals court shot it down... they're now supposed to be taking it to the US supreme court I think.

Just fucking insane. It's like we're trying hard to prove who is more nuts on women's issues - us or Saudi Arabia.

luvgreen said...

Yes, but Republicans are insidious. Here in VA they run on 'fiscal conservatism' ' transportaion' and 'jobs'. When they get in office they pass bills on limiting birth control and abortion. Sorry, but we can't afford to pick and choose anymore. NO MORE REPUBLICAN VOTES!

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Kendra said...

Well written. I'm scared for my daughter. What world are we giving our children?

Unknown said...

Before I left Texas, I know they were trying to pass this as well. VA also tried to pass the "personhood" amendment, which thankfully was shot down. However, they are still trying to force women to listen to and view sonograms before they have abortions. They all just want us back in the kitchen, popping out babies every nine months.

S said...

I agree with Lanie - I consider myself independent and have traditionally been anti-abortion though as I get older I'm finding myself leaving those views. What gets me the most is what Lanie stated, that it's used too often as birth control - Lyoru - i know personally of about 5 people who used it that way - maybe because I'm in NYC? That said, I'm all about sex ed, contraception etc.

Jaime said...

I don't want to argue. I understand it's your blog, but these kind of topics are so divisive, and the arguements get so heated, I'd prefer they be handled on a political blog. I enjoy your sense of humor, that's why I read your stuff. But now I've got to go. It's a shame that your anger had to ruin the fun.

BTW, how many sources did you get your information from? I hope you investigated the topic from both sides before jumping in to an argument. The press tends to use scare tactics in their reporting on both sides.

Maria T. said...

I think that nothing shows their evilness as much as that particular bit. You could have a severely deformed fetus, and a doctor straight up lying to your face about your baby... Do Republicans consider a woman so incapable of making a decision that will directly affect her?

Unknown said...

Completely agree with you, @angelab!!

Janna said...

As a person with a uterus, an MD, and two young daughters, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY agree with your sentiments. Not only does this bill take away a woman's right to choice, but also takes away her right to unbiased information so she can make an INFORMED choice. WTF is going on???

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