A few months ago, I wrote my list of rules for moms at playdates. Apparently I need to amend these rules and add: When someone tries to invite your child over to her house, don't be a twat.
The other night I was out with my friend, Sandy, and she told me about the angst she's having trying to arrange playdates for her youngest daughter.
Her youngest is in half day Kindergartener this year and she's anxious to have some friends over to play in the afternoons. There aren't too many girls to choose from because the class is heavy on boys. Sandy asked a couple of moms if their daughters could come and play and they had various (normal) reasons why they couldn't come over - dance class, gymnastic class, etc. And then Sandy asked this other mom:
"Can Drusilla come over one day this week and play with Olive?" Sandy asked.
"I don't know you," was the reply she got.
"Oh. I'm sorry. I thought we met at various school functions already this year. I'm Sandy. I'm Olive's mother."
"Yes. I know who you are. But I don't know you."
Sandy was dumbfounded. She had no idea how to reply to this.
"Well, like I said, I'm Olive's mother. Olive would love to have Drusilla over to play."
"I'm not comfortable having Drusilla in your house. I don't know you."
"Oh. OK." Sandy was a tad offended. After all, it's not like she's on any watch lists of any kind!
"I don't allow Drusilla to go to anyone's home that I don't know."
"OK. How about this? How about you and Drusilla come over? I'll make some coffee and muffins and we can chat and you can get to know me while Olive and Drusilla play?" Sandy offered helpfully.
"I'm not comfortable with that either," she said. "That means both Drusilla and I are in a stranger's home."
Sandy was at her wit's end. She just wanted a friend for her daughter. This was getting ridiculous. What did this woman want from her???
"Look. Then you tell me what you are comfortable with. Olive would like to play with Drusilla outside of school. How do you usually do that?" (Sandy is fucking saint. At this point I would have told this woman to stuff herself.)
"We don't. Drusilla only plays with people I know. And. I. Don't. Know. You."
Now Sandy was ready to cry. What a fucking bitch. Who does this to someone?? Did I miss the news bulletin about the suburban moms who lure other suburban moms into their homes, dope them with tainted coffee and then steal their internal organs to sell on the black market? Is there a burgeoning child sex slave ring in the heart of suburban Kansas City that I haven't heard about?
What is this woman's problem? We are all wary of strangers and concerned about where our kids are going and who they will be with, but this woman is taking it too far. If she doesn't want her kid to go to a stranger's house, then get to know Sandy so she's not a stranger anymore. At least offer to meet at a fast food playland and risk a staph infection and have a cup of coffee with Sandy!
I think this also goes to my friends are hard to find post I wrote a few months ago. Sandy isn't just looking for a friend for Olive, she's hoping to find another mom or two that she can relate to. She'd love to have another friend or two that she could hang out with while the girls trash her house.
I don't know what this woman's problem is. Maybe she truly is afraid of strangers. If she's that afraid, she needs professional help. And if she is that afraid, she needs to figure out a nicer, kinder way to explain her phobias, because Sandy took it personally. Sandy felt like this woman didn't want to go to SANDY'S house and didn't want her daughter to be friends with SANDY'S daughter. This woman made Sandy feel like shit. And now Olive still needs a playdate, so Olive feels bad too.
(Adolpha is in all day Kindergarten or else I'd have her at Sandy's every afternoon if she'd let me - I told you Sandy was a saint!)
I'm disgusted on behalf of your friend. And Sandy does sound like a saint--I would've tossed a booger or two at this woman, then she'd know me AND my germs.
ReplyDeleteTHIS.
DeleteMove over Jen, I just started my newest woman crush. Best response ever.
DeleteHoly psycho. Sandy can take a road trip to my house for a playdate, it's where all of us organ stealers hang out.
ReplyDeleteI like this answer. :)
DeleteClearly, Drusilla's mom is a snob of epic proportions - forget her.
Well, her daughter's name is DRUSILLA. WTF?
DeleteThat's what I thought. What the fuck kind of name is Drusilla? Like of Dracula and Cruella combined?
DeleteThat woman is one nasty bitch. I doubt if she has any friends.
How sad! Tell Sandy to hang in there, and in the meantime, slash the mean woman's tires.
ReplyDeleteBeotch. Nuf said. And I promise by second grade Drusilla will be a drusilla (little beotch)- They model mommies behavoir. nuf said. Olive is better off. Remember...BAD things happen for a GOOD reason. I'm working on a whole post about li' beotches...but some of the beotches mothers are my "friend" on facebook...and I totally know they will know who they are....I think....Give Sandy a hug from Mizzy!
ReplyDeleteI agree in spades!
DeleteSeriously? You don't know this little girl at all and you're already labeling her a future beotch? If you judge all kids by their mother's behavior, what does that make your kid??
DeleteThis lady is a wackadoodle of major proportions! Having said that, the first time I had a playdate with a triplet mom I made sure to call people to let them know where I was. I didn't know her and didn't want to become part of some weirdo, mother-selling ring, like those perfume-sniffers in parking lots that we all got forwarded e-mails about years ago!
ReplyDeleteWhat was it about a triplet mom that made you suspicious?
DeleteYeah, what's so scary about a triplet mom? I've got to hear this one. Please explain.
DeleteBefore you go any further, you should know I have quadruplets. I was just using a descriptor. Nothing suspicious about a triplet mom. The key piece of information here is that I hadn't met her before. We actually connected through a facebook page, realized we lived close together, then planned a playdate. I didn't just not know her, I had never laid eyes on her before except for a few photos of her girls on facebook. Is that satisfactory?
DeleteWhat an asshole. Sorry for Sandy. Drusilla's mom should go back to Kindergarten and learn how to be a nicer person instead of a fucktard.
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Sounds like Sandy dodged a bullet. Drusilla's mom is a FREAK and Sandy should STEER clear. Try to see the silver lining here.
ReplyDeleteTHIS! I was going to say exactly the same thing.
DeleteIf Drusilla's mom is reading, this note is for her:
Dear Drusilla's mom.
Suck my balls.
Sincerely, Sandy's friend by association
Amen! I've had to cut my kids off from two friends because the moms are bat-shit crazy and I couldn't deal with them or their kids.
DeleteDon't discount playdates with the boys. At the kindergarten age it really doesn't matter that much. My 13 y.o. daughter had besties that were boys when she was in kindergarten. (to be honest, sometimes the boys were a little easier...) And now that they're older its fun to see them hang out and be friends without all of the weird teenage angst.
Sandy is really a saint because she kept on asking ways to actually let this woman know her.
ReplyDeleteShe was nothing but a phyco, Sandy and Olive are better off without those "friends".
My question is how does that woman get to know people? With that approach I'm wondering if she does indeed have any friends and if her daughter has any too, outside of school.
ReplyDeleteSandy shouldn't take this personally, it isn't her or her daughter - it is them.
I wonder how the woman was able to get married in the first place. How did she meet her husband?
DeleteAt the family reunion! :)
DeleteHa!!! Lov this Christa!!
DeleteI don't even know where to start. When I started reading this story at first I was on Drusilla's mom side. The sad part is we live in a society that has many bad people. You just never know and I personally would never allow my child to go to someone’s home if I don't know the people but that is where it ends for me. Your friend Sandy invited the mother and daughter so the woman is just being a bitch. If she felt uncomfortable to go to Sandy’s home she could have invited her to her house or like you suggested go to McDonalds or park or whatever just so the kids could play. I'm very protective of my kids but that doesn't mean I'm going to be a bitch to other people. Sandy doesn't need people like that woman in her life and I hope she's able to find a normal mom to have a play date with.
ReplyDeleteI completely agree with you. I'm extremely protective of mine, as well, but she went too far and did come off as a bitch, but to each their own.
DeleteExactly. Suggest a neutral place to meet up. Don't insist you never meet a new person EVER. What the ever loving hell?!? I am shy by nature, but damn.
DeleteTell Sandy about meetup.com. Someone recently told me about this website where you can find kiddie playgroups, mommy groups, active groups, etc. in your area. Hope she finds something!
ReplyDeleteWhat an idiot. Sandy and Olive can both do better. Also don't rule out playdates with the boys. Krissy has lots of friends who are boys. There seems to be less drama with them and their moms!
ReplyDeleteNot that you asked but I thought I would share an experience from this summer. Krissy asked to have over a girl from her class for a sleepover one day at the pool. I actually wasn't a big fan of this mom as she is the official definition of Trophy Wife (pretty but very stupid) but at their age the moms rarely accompany the kids so I figured minimal contact so I said yes.
A few minutes later the mom saunters over in her bikini (Bitch!), I assume to work out logistics. She proceeds to give me a list of the terms I must agree to in order for her daughter to spend the night at our house. They include but not limited to boarding my dog and both cats or quarantining them to another area of the house and agreeing to remove all hair from them from the room where her daughter will sleep.
I get that kids have allergies. I get that this must make playdates, sleepovers hard but seriously did this women think I could possibly in the next 2 hours before said sleepover was suppose to begin make that happen. Given two weeks I probably couldn't remove ever bit of cat hair from Krissy's room! Also unless this is the worst pet allergy in the world don't they make pills for that!
Needless to say the sleepover didn't happen. We did invite the girl for a playdate but instead of having it at our house I took the kids to a park where I spent 3 hours reminding my daughter she couldn't pet any of the dogs being walked on leashes at the park due to her friends extreme allergy. The girl would just roll her eyes and purse her lips together in a way that let me know she thought her mom was an overreacting bitch also!
It's frustrating to try to accommodate other people's allergies but you have heard of asthma right? Some kids have asthmatic reactions to pet hair/dander.
DeleteI also see that you are venting an not necessarily trying to say, suck it up and deal allergic kids!"
But you kind of are. The mom may have been a wingnut (although, I don't think that wearing a bikini makes you a bitch) and over protective but wouldn't you rather know the kid's limitations?
And frankly I wonder if the daughter wasn't rolling her eyes in discomfort because you attacked her mother sideways for 3 hours at the park.
Oh Puh-leeze! If your child has that severely allergic or asthmatic, then the appropriate thing to do is to inquire about the pet (or whatever allergen) status of the potential sleepover house and then kindly explain that your child has severe allergies that prohibit staying there. Even more polite is to reverse the invitation to your own home which is presumably allergy-proofed already or to suggest a playdate elsewhere. What you don't do, however, is give the other mom a list of cleaning tasks to tackle so you can dump your darling child off for the night! That's ballsy...and rude!
DeleteUmmm. No. If your kid has extreme allergies, you walk over and explain to the other mom that hey, my kid would love to spend the night, but she has severe allergies. Do you have cats/dogs? Yes? Oh dear. That won't work. Well, would your daughter like to spend the night at our house instead?
DeleteYou don't act as though the sleepover were a visit from the queen and then proceed to lay out a list of requirements before you'll do the honor of playing at another's home.
Ok, truly....I started typing mine before Knitwit's posted or I'd have simply said, "what she said."
DeleteI'm dying laughing at the response from Anonymous. I'm laughing b/c she clearly doesn't have a sense of humor...I can't deal with people that can't see the humor in the fact that she was calling her a "bitch" b/c she was wearing a bikini...it's a freaking joke...she's saying "bitch" b/c well...I assume that she doesn't wear a bikini!
Delete**Warning**
DeleteHumorless (and likely a bitch too because I wear a bikini)posting here.
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Well, thank heavens you could explain how funny that comment is! I always think jokes are just the frickin' BEST when people have to explain what's funny. Whew.
Allergy issues are a personal achilles, I'll admit that but I didn't think this was funny and frankly I responded with loads more kindness than I felt.
My take on it was that at the spur of the moment her daughter and the other girl thought it would be fun to have a sleep over after bumping into each other at the pool.
So this other mom that she doesn't respect (stupid and a bitch because apparently she is a physically fit trophy-wife.)
Says, "that would be great but. . . . here's the list of stuff that has to happen." Likely, very aware that this is not going to happen.
She could be bubbly and chatty, too. And you know how respected that is!
As far as suggesting that she should then invite the girls to her house for the night. . . Why? She probably didn't want a spur of the moment sleepover. Sometimes people have shit to do.
So the sleepover doesn't happen, but she has the girls together for a playdate in the park where she trys to bond with her daughter's friend by shitting all over the girl's mom verbally for 3 hours.
Delightful afternoon for all no doubt.
Sounds pretty self-loathing and insecure. But, now that you have explained how funny it is. Gee, I feel all stupid and humorless.
But at this point I have thought about this far too long. It all sounds like a bunch of moms who like to revel in their irritation with other moms for entertainment.
Funny.
I forget how it get's all Thunderdrome in here. . . the ultimate fighting edition of blog comments. Whoever can verbally bitch-smack-talk the hardest wins! A Cacklefest if you will.
I get the allergy stuff...really I do. I have a neighbor who can't even be near nuts, eggs, etc. Not just can't eat...can't be near them. My question "humorless" is why do you read this blog? I'm not saying that to be bitchy, but it is a snarky/humor blog. Clearly you don't find humor in it.
DeleteI read it because I do find the blog pretty funny. But not always and not all the comments. meh
DeleteDrusilla's mom is a bitch. Or she is mentally unstable. So I think Sandy dodged a bullet there. But man, I feel for Sandy. It's SO HARD to make friends with other moms.
ReplyDeleteAnd poor Drusilla - having to have such a bizarre woman for a mom. Geez.
That's ridiculous! I met another blogger through your BlogFrog Community, and it turns out she lives right here in my neighborhood in Massachusetts. Small world! She invited my family over for a party. My husband was all, "Hmmm, stranger from the internet..." but agreed. Guess what. She's not a psycho and neither are her kids. Nobody got murdered (except a few beers and pumpkins). I wish Sandy and Olive lived around here.
ReplyDeletePoor Sandy and poor Olive! I recently had something similar happen to me, but the woman offered an alternative and we met, with our kids, at a local park. We got to know each other while the kids, who already knew each other from being in class together for the past two years, happily played. But, to offer nothing? No solution? Not sure I'd want my kid going to her house anyway.
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Whoa, that is all kinds of cray cray.
ReplyDeleteSounds like Drucilla's mom should start saving for her daughter's therapy now.
I must look like a wild heathen for sitting out in the front yard and letting my four year old play with any of the neighborhood kids that show up.
Honestly, what the hell is wrong with people? I'd say this woman is on some kind of medication or needs to be on some!! She's obviously, got something up her cooter!! How does know the other people she knows?!
ReplyDeleteI love meeting new moms and having my kids make new friends! I think it's awesome! Sometimes, yeah it doesnt work out! Most of the time I've never found it to be an issue of the kids not getting along! I have a "friend" ( I use that term very loosely) and our kids play great together but she's got he snobby nose so high in the air she would rather be around other people then let her kid have a good time. That irritates me so much!
This mom is a bitch. I feel bad for Drusilla though,her mom is keeping her from making more friends. I'm betting Bitchy Mom is a control freak and poor Drusilla is paying the price.
ReplyDeleteThis is a blessing, that woman (and probably her child too) is crazy. I am also having issue with find my daughter playdates. All the girls I would want to come over have "cord cutting issues"- and I really don't want whole family playdates. Thenthe girls who would be allowed over are wild and I don't want them in my house. I am at a loss. But I have to say no one has ever said "I don't know you" to me, though I certainly would expect to hear "my child is not allowed at that crazy zoo that you call a house". People are so weird.
ReplyDeleteI feel awful for Sandy. This is one of the most awkard situations for moms who have kids going to school for the first time. My son just started Pre-K 3 and it has been hit or miss trying to be friendly with some of these parents! I can remember when my son was about 18 months and we would see other parents/kids at the playgroud. How do you approach other parents for a playdate without sounding like swingers? Ugh. I think Sandy may be better off NOT getting to know that one at all.
ReplyDeleteMy first reaction was that Sandy should remove this high and mighty wench's face, but then I realized that doing so would only prove the woman right. My only suggestion to Sandy is to kill this woman with kindness and hope she feels like an douche nugget.
ReplyDeleteYes! Cruelty by way of extreme kindness, I love it! Mwaa ha ha ha ha!! (That's supposed to be evil laughter.)
DeleteI think calling Drusilla's mom a twat is truly insulting to all the twats out there.
ReplyDeleteAnd I agree with the comment that Sandy dodged a bullet full of crazy there!
But I too have had a hard time finding friends for my "a little off the beaten path, marches to her own drummer" daughter and befriending people for myself. It takes so much work to forge a little friendship, and such a small breeze to wreck it. Why does it have to be so hard?!
Dear Jen's Hubs,
ReplyDeleteCould you install a like button in the comments section? Pretty please?
I thought I was very lucky that years ago my daughter became close friends with another girl and I got along great with the girl's mother, until my daughter got a 'better' part in their ballet school's winter show, I know nothing about ballet, I played soccer, but this mom I thought was my friend turned on me, accused me of cheating, claimed my daughter taunted her daughter with her supposedly better part, the mom has not spoken to me since and will not let our kids play together anymore, and to put this stupidity into perspective our girls are almost six, six! Who cares what part your six year old gets in a show, I would be proud if my daughter was a tree! A few years ago this would have broken my heart but today I realize that some people treat parenthood as an extension of high school, I only wish she had shown her true colors up front like Drusilla's mom did so I wouldn't have wasted my time!
ReplyDeleteUm....I would have hung up after the first comment the woman made and gone on with my life. Why this would make Sandy feel bad, unfortunately, says to me that Sandy has low self esteem of her own. You should never have to work that hard to invite someone to do something with you. Not worth the trouble.
ReplyDeleteWe've got a mother like that in my daughters class. She won't let her child go to playmates unless she's with her, her kid doesn't go on school trips without her, and she's generally paranoid. She's the same with her almost 11 year old. It's very unhealthy, I think. I get allergies, or if there's been abuse and are protective because of that, but this Mum is just neurotic. She admits it. Sad, really.
ReplyDeleteIf there's been abuse, she's not going to tell just anybody about it. I'm a bit neurotic too and it's because I don't want my kids to have to experience what happened to me.
DeleteI'm overprotective too, but not for any abuse reason. If someone asked us for a playdate, I wouldn't just keep saying I don't know you, I'd just suggest we all go to the park instead & GET to know them. You don't have to be a freak about it!
DeleteForget Drusilla's Mom. She's not worth feeling slighted over. My suggestion would be to find out about some of those dance/gymnastics classes that the normal Moms mentioned their kids attended. It worked for me. I had no Mom friends except for my next door neighbor. Then I signed my girl up for dance and not only did she meet a bunch of really great little girls, but I've made a few new Mom friends too. Win/win!
ReplyDeleteThis!
DeleteWhat a whack job! Drusilla will grow up to be either the exact stepford vision of her mom (brrr) or so far different that her mom will get worse. I'm hoping that it's the latter, but I'm thinking it'll be the former. Poor kid, wonder what the father is like
ReplyDeletePoor Sandy. My son is only two and in full-day day care, so luckily we haven't had this problem yet, but I'm sure the day is coming. At least we'll have a good excuse for the after-school play dates - we both work full time - but I'm sure I'll be ok with play dates on the weekends.
ReplyDeleteHaving said that, I actually feel worse for Drusilla. How is she ever going to be able to make new friends with a mom like that? She'll be the only second-grade girl in her class not at the sleepover birthday party (or any birthday party, for that matter) and it'll make her feel left out. I can't imagine what this girl is going to be like in high school or when she goes away to college - if she's allowed to go away, that is!
Your friend Sandy gets an express elevator to Throat Punch Heaven and Drusilla's mom (nice CInderella throwback there!) may just be the biggest bitch on the planet and, quite possibly, one of the dumbest. Who says no to having someone have your child over? Woman, someone is offering you child-free time and you don't take it? Hopefully, this throat punch won't make her lose any more oxygen to her already flailing brain.
ReplyDelete2 things are happening here... the other mom is either a 5 star wak-a-doodle.... or...... hold on..... she does not want to get to know your friend and is saying it without saying it. In either case...say byebye. Your friend has learned valuable info on this other mom without wasting her time, a cup of coffee and a muffin on her.
ReplyDeleteYou know, you all are attacking Drusilla without possibly being in her shoes. Not every woman is into the whole "let's be buddy buddy" thing. Perhaps she enjoys her circle of friends because she was burned in the past. Perhaps she has a nutcase ex-husband and she's afraid. There could be many reasons the woman reacted the way she did.
ReplyDeleteShe could also have been unnerved and uncomfortable by Sandy's relentless pursuing. She said no...it should have ended there. It's a mother's choice on how and why to protect her child. She should not be made out to be a uber-bitch.
Totally agree!
DeleteI agree. It is sad that Sandy feels bad and I hope that Drusilla's mom didn't intend that. I wonder if it's more that it was a conversation gone awry.
DeleteBeing uncomfortable is not an excuse for being rude. I also don't think Sandy wasn't being relentless, from how Jen explained it sounds as if she was nice and very friendly. I think it's more a matter of Sandy being nice to someone and Drusilla's mom being rude back. It is a mother choice on who her children hang out with,but she wasn't asking to swap fluids just trying to get to know someone and be nice to their kid. Sure she can say no, but she didn't need to be rude.
DeleteSure, but we are all rude sometimes. That doesn't mean that we are all horrible people or bad mothers who are ruining our kids lives. It just means that we are rude sometimes - even if we don't mean to be.
DeleteSeriously, can you say that you've never met anyone who just rubbed you the wrong way on sight?
Or maybe she's a little shy and since Sandy is such an amazing and glowing saint, she just got nervous and wanted to shut it down.
Who knows? Not me, I wasn't there.
She had to tell the woman 3 times, "no" - that's being a bit overfriendly, imo. Perhaps she was rude in her approach, but maybe that's her style, so there's no chance for maybes and waste everyone's time...
DeleteOnce she said no, Sandy should have dropped it.
DeleteThat's the thing, Drusilla's mom never once said no, all she said was I don't know you. I think if she had just flat out said no, Sandy would've taken the no, but she didn't. There's a million things it could've been, and none of us can really say for sure.
DeleteAnd sure I come across people that rub me the wrong way all the time, but I still try to not be rude to them, unless they are rude to me first.
Whacky response! I had a mom in our small town of suburban subdivisions with names like Lifetime Movies...Whispering Lanes or Eagles nest,tell me her kids only play with kids in her Wisteria Runs subdivision. My youngest daughter has playdates with boys most times because the girls seem to be on the path to becoming mini bitchy resemblances of their mommys. Mothers of rambunctious boys are more than willing to let you have them for a playdates. It gives them time to get the worms out of the playroom or take down the 'forts' made from her comforters and pillows.
ReplyDeleteHa! Nice one. I have two rambunctious boys and I know I will resemble this remark very soon.
DeleteI would have said no to the playdate request also, but I would have been more polite. I would never let my daughter go to someone's house that we did not know. And honestly, I can barely keep up with my fiends as it us, I don't feel the need to add more people. I am a private person and kind of shy as well, I would have a hard time sending two hours with someone that I just met.
ReplyDeleteReally? You would not let your child who is only in her first year of elementary develop a friendship outside of school (or in addition to it)? This is kind of more about the kids. I understand being protective, but there are parks and other ways. Does your child never get to make a new friend because you feel you have enough? I'm not trying to call you out, but just wondering what you'd do if she wanted to invite over a new friend... what if the shoe were on the other foot?
DeleteYou are being really judgmental of someone you don't know. Is that what you teach your kids? People who are different than you are wrong? I agree that I would never send my child to someone's house that they don't know, nor should I have to socialize with someone that I know nothing about.
DeleteAnonymous - are you from Minnesota? That's what people say from Minnesota "I'm not looking to add any friends." Seriously...they call it Minnesota nice. Just wondering. I get that people are busy, but I love meeting new people. In fact one of my newest friends is really helping me now. She's working with me on getting a job...essential b/c my hubby was laid off. :/ People are different...it makes the world go round...and things to talk about!
DeleteThis thing about this kind of response that kills me is the lack of perspective and empathy for others. What if something happens where you must move and you and your family are the 'new kids' at school and in the neighborhood? Do you never make new friends and feel like, "Well, that's normal; they probably have enough friends."? Do you tell your child it's okay they don't get to make new friends and just relish the memories of the good old days when you *used* to have friends? Of course you don't. I always encourage my kids to BEFRIEND the new kids. Silly me, I didn't know you were supposed to ostracize people you don't know. It's a fact that stranger danger is a farce compared to the very real fact that the vast majority of attacks on adult women and children are people they already know and who are trusted by their friends and families. I'd be far more leery of that oddball bachelor uncle or the one who is way too into wrestling with the cousins on the floor than any stranger who is reaching out to make friends.
DeleteKristianna - I totally agree with your comment about the lack of perspective and empathy for others. Great comment!
DeleteWhew, that was a close one for Sandy and Olive! As much as Olive might want to be friends with Drusilla and is too young to get what's going on with this crazy mom, I think she is much better off not having playdates with them. Let crazy people be crazy and find the other crazies. Sandy will find some nice people to befriend, as will Olive.
ReplyDeleteI also want to encourage them to look past the girls and hit some boys up for playdates, too. My son's two best friends are the girls who live next door to us!
you totally should have pulled out your resume and background investigation documents and ask when would be a convenient time for an interview. and then give her Adolopha's favorite finger and roll the hell out. GET A GRIP PEOPLE!
ReplyDeleteI once had a Mom say to me "but I don't know you very well, I don't usually let junior go to strangers houses" I asked her if she would like a backgroud check and references. She looked at me like WTH?? Been good friends ever since. She was just a newbie Mom and I was on kid 3. I took her under my wing and told her to calm the fuck down.
ReplyDeleteNice :)
DeleteI hate to say this, but I think Sandy was the rude one. Why couldn't she just take no for an answer? Without knowing a thing about the other woman's situation, you have made her out as pure evil. She may have a legitimate reason for not wanting to participate in the play date and was trying to get out of it the best way she knew how.
ReplyDeleteshe could have said 'thank you for asking but no, we don't generally go over to other people's houses' instead she said 'we don't know you' the first answer would haven been appropriate. the second answer was poor selection
DeleteI would not allow my child to go to someone else's home either, (without me knowing them VERY well). That's not being paranoid, it's the world we live in. However, I would have considered going with her. To avoid this myself, if I ever initiate a "play date" (gawd I loathe that term), I ask to meet at a park.
ReplyDeleteI wouldn't have let my daughter go on her own, but I would certainly have gone with her. I like to meet new people and chat and if it doesn't go well, you never have to go back. What's the big deal? So tired of women who say they have enough friends and don't want anymore. One day, after their friends ditch them and they haven't bothered to make any new ones, they'll be sitting there alone. Oh well!
ReplyDeleteI feel bad for Drusilla. Sounds like her mom's fears and hang-ups are preventing her from socializing with her friends, and that's no fun. Sure, as moms, we have plenty of reasons to worry about the well-being of our children, and parenting requires us to be super cautious. But shutting our kids (and ourselves) off from the rest of the world is not the answer. There are plenty of ways to make sure our kids are safe AND having fun.
ReplyDeleteIs it the mom's right to refuse a playdate, and to keep her daughter within a small, tight-knit group of friends? Sure it is. But opening up the "bubble" to new people who are interested and excited to be their friends might be a great lesson for both Drusilla and her mom.
I'd be curious to know if they have any "mutual" friends who could perhaps provide a reference point? Although my advice would actually be to find Olive a nice little playmate who is a boy.
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I think it is a sad situation for Sandy & Olive. What I find sadder is the judgement over the other mother and her "crazy.". Perhaps she is just a bitch, but how about some compassion? Maybe she does suffer from an illness like agoraphobia or social anxiety? Or even panic disorder. These are difficult things to get passed. Have any of you who judged this woman every experienced the hell that is a panic attack or the intense "I am going to die" fear of a phobia? I am guessing no, or your comments would not be as harsh as they are. These are debilitating illnesses...even WITH treatment. Does she owe Sandy an explanationI? No, she does not. If she has a medical problem, that is her business. With the judgments like those shared here, would you share your mental illness which includes a fear of strangers with strangers? This is not strept throat, this is an illness with a stigma. Tell you what, the next time you tell a stranger you had venereal disease, I will walk up to a perfect stranger and tell them I have a mental illness.
ReplyDeleteSo, maybe she was a bitch...but if she was not, I don't blame her because there is a lot of bitchY on this thread.
The other mother didn't offer any alternatives, and shot down all of Sandy's suggestions. There might be a small chance that she has an illness, but based on the fact that she kept repeating "I don't know you', I think it is more apt that she didn't WANT to get to know Sandy. You don't automatically know someone; even your oldest friends had to be met at some point. The saddest part is that it is Drusilla who will suffer as she gets older, and wants to choose her own friends. This mom will not be able to handle it.
DeleteSandy is right: this woman doesn't want to get to know Sandy, or her daughter. She is a terrible snob, who for some reason wants to keep her social circle small and 'exclusive'. Personally, I don't understand it, but I have known of people like that.
ReplyDeleteI did have a friend who wouldn't allow her daughter to play at other people's houses; her friends had to come to her. As we got to know each other, she relaxed and allowed the daughter to visit on her own.
More in line with Sandy, a friend told me about the one girl in her daughter's group of friends who wasn't invited to a birthday party because the mom didn't know the other mom, the girl was new and 'her info isn't in the school address book'. WTF? Call the teacher and ask for the info! But no, this girl was left out, b/c the mom didn't want to make the effort.
I relate to Sandy looking for friends for both herself and her daughter, but I'd give up on this mom. Tell her daughter that Drusilla is busy and move on. Seriously, try a few boy classmates! My son has always had plenty of girl friends, and just had a playdate two weekends in a row with a different girl (he's 9). As long as they have things in common (sports, Pokemon, Sponge Bob) they'll have fun.
There's cautious and there's unreasonably paranoid. There's polite and there's bitchy. It's pretty obvious where this chick falls. Poor kid.
ReplyDeleteWhy is her daughter even in school? Does the mother KNOW everyone that works/attends there? I'm surprised, with her fear of strangers, she didn't go the homeschool route. Then they could both stay inside their protective bubble and never have to worry about some "crazy mom" popping it by asking the dreaded "playdate" question.
ReplyDeleteThis is awful! I feel so bad for Sandy. I have run into a mom like this before, and I decided I must be crazy to push this hard for Finley to play with this kid. I feel bad for the kid (not only Olive but the other little girl as well) who never gets to play, and is going to be known as the one who has the "crazy mom".
ReplyDeleteShe's likely one of those moms who drive teachers crazy by hovering and volunteering (i.e. insisting to be there all the time).
DeleteDrusilla's mom is clearly a felon on the run.
ReplyDeleteNow, That is funny!
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I've got to know...how the hell did she get off the phone with her?
ReplyDeleteI seriously wonder how some of these moms become friends in the first place. When my kids started school it seemed like some kind of cult had already formed and it took most of the school year to be welcomed in. I think Drusilla might be at our school and you need to introduce me to Sandy.
ReplyDeleteSomebody needs to smack that bitch upside the head. Hasn't anyone ever told her that most "bad" things happen at home, or in the home of someone you know? Um, my two oldest boys made friends with the foster son of a neighbor down the street, whom we had known and spent time with for YEARS. That kid, who hung out at our house, went to church with us, and played with the boys, MOLESTED my kids within 6 months of their first meeting. Am I wary of sending my kids to play at a strangers' house? Yeah. Do I check the Megans Law website monthly? Yeah. Do I curtail my kids' social activities because something might or might not happen to them? HELL NO. What happened sucks. We are still dealing with it. But it can happen to anyone, any time, in home or not.
ReplyDeleteThat woman needs to pull the rebar out of her ass and give a sister a break! Unless, of course, she doesn't need any friends...
Eh...I'm kind of on the fence with this one. I'll agree that Drusilla's mom was unnecessarily bitchy. There's no need to be rude in this scenario. But, sometimes I wonder if I really have the balls it takes to be a parent. There have been times that I didn't want my kid to go play somewhere because I didn't know the parents. They didn't go, but it was because I was chicken shit and made up a lie, not because I was forthright and honest that I don't send my kid to stranger's houses.
ReplyDeleteI've had several parents (of older children from whom I have solicited advice) tell me that you should ALWAYS have the kids play at YOUR house. Because you never know what goes on in other people's homes. So I'm totally paranoid. But, I can't help but wonder...if everyone abides by that mentality, then no one plays ANYWHERE. Amirite?
Best part of the whole post, Jen? Where you said "at least meet up at a fast food play land and risk a staff infection" :) Almost spit out my lunch! Because that's exactly what happened to my 12 year old after playing at a gymnastics center during an "open gym." Yup! Staff infection on his bare arms that spread to other parts of his body, then to his brother who shared a towel like all lazy teenage boys will do instead of grabbing their own. Took us the better part of a year to get rid of the damn thing (it kept returning after the antibiotics) and the whole family had to be "treated" by an infectious disease specialist just in case. All because my boy wanted to spend time with friends...
ReplyDeleteMoral of the whole story? No "bat shit crazy mother" and her unfortunate child is worth the risk. Invent an imaginary friend for her ;)
A friend just got me reading this blog. I wish you were in NJ!
ReplyDeleteSandy is certainly a saint. That is really insane. I feel badly when someone puts themselves out there only to have someone behave like a crazy person.
I am still trying to *get* play dates and their weird rules. (Which is why my friend sent me your posts! I love them.)
I commiserate with both sides of this debate! As an older mother to a third grader, I tend have little in common with the parents of my daughters classmates and living in a small town,there is a "Mommy-Clique",especially among over-achieving subgroups like "dancemoms" and "sportsmoms",neither of which I fit into, so I tend to not be overly social with other parents.
ReplyDeleteOther than one very close friend whose kids and my kids are close, I have small circle of fellow moms I am friendly with whose kids and mine play together and we have had many sleepovers for a few of them but have never been returned the favor(with the exception of course of my close friend I mentioned previously)so I stopped inviting their kids.It is so complicated sometimes,especially when you have a very friendly child and you yourself are not an outgoing person or into the things so-called "normal" women are into.
WOW!!! All I can say, Dru's. mom should have just said, "Thanks but no thanks" and Sandy should have just let it go and moved on... lesson to be learned- just be nice, you might end up being put on blast by Jen!!!!! LOL...love you, Jen!!! Keep the blogs rolling....Sandy: good luck finding a new friend for Olive, keep trying!!!!
ReplyDeleteYeah, I don't fault her for not wanting to go...to each their own, and yeah Sandy may have pushed a little hard, but when she said "I. Don't. Know. You." kinda drove home that she was being just a tad bitchy about it. I don't think that makes her worthy of such nasty words really, she probaby is socially awkward and does not really know how to deal with these situations. Who knows, she and Drusilla are probaby not a good fit for Sandy and Olive anyways...just saved Sandy some time. But it made for GREAT blog fodder!! So there's that. (still very glad I can just take it for what it is - funyy haha)
ReplyDelete(I can't believe I am only the second one to notice the Cinderella refrence, though it could be that I have watched it about 100 times in the past 2 weeks and just had a little living room trivia about what the "unknown" step sisters name is. It's actually Drizella, but whateves.)
Love, as always - Devan
How does this woman even GET to know people? She wont meet them unless she knows them? Why didn't your friend just laugh in her face and ask if she's been taking her meds on time?
ReplyDeleteDude! Wtf is WRONG with some of you people?! I feel like I just read a Huff.post article comments section! Between jumping Shelley the one who was meeting a triplet mom for the first time and wanting to live to tell about it and you all acted like she just called the Triplet mom the N-word....and the allergy daughter of the trophy wife who expected a complete decontmination of her entire home before she would let little darling visit...and people jumped her shit for trying to keep the kid safe at the park!!WHAT THE HELL? I have NEVER read such snarky shit on a BLOG comments ever before! What is this? A blog? A place to come and work out your mommy war issues? Ya'll really need to get a freakin' grip already!!
ReplyDeleteI think you need a grip. It's not your blog, so don't read it :)
DeleteAnd yet you bothered to comment on it. LOL
ReplyDeleteI agree. This woman isn't even worthy to breathe air, let alone be friends with someone nice like Sandy. Good riddance.
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